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<blockquote data-quote="The Black Kestrel" data-source="post: 4346766" data-attributes="member: 4903">Using occupations didn't solve this problem? I always thought that was one the design points behind occupations&nbsp;I think this partially a result of poor rule design and part preference. I fully agree that starting characters do not get enough starting feats to really allow them create effective starting PC's. Should my character be a badass starting out? No. He should be able to at least fill the role I envision him in effectively at first level though. Perhaps beefing up occupations with addition feats could fix this problem.&nbsp;This an excellent point and one I'd forgotten about. You're right that fractional BAB helps, but requires some additional tracking.&nbsp;&nbsp;All the feat does is allow you to use the vehicle without a -4 penalty. I don't see that as too onerous. Going the subskill route would probably require increasing skill points for many classes which I don't agree with.&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm grooving on SWSE as well, though I don't like everything in it quite a bit screams &quot;use me!&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Black Kestrel, post: 4346766, member: 4903"] Using occupations didn't solve this problem? I always thought that was one the design points behind occupations I think this partially a result of poor rule design and part preference. I fully agree that starting characters do not get enough starting feats to really allow them create effective starting PC's. Should my character be a badass starting out? No. He should be able to at least fill the role I envision him in effectively at first level though. Perhaps beefing up occupations with addition feats could fix this problem. This an excellent point and one I'd forgotten about. You're right that fractional BAB helps, but requires some additional tracking. All the feat does is allow you to use the vehicle without a -4 penalty. I don't see that as too onerous. Going the subskill route would probably require increasing skill points for many classes which I don't agree with. I'm grooving on SWSE as well, though I don't like everything in it quite a bit screams "use me!" [/QUOTE]

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