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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5725162" data-attributes="member: 54877">I was advocating precisely that, earlier. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> I do like the way it then fits to use Abdul's idea of connecting the stat benefits to weapons instead of classes/races. That is, one of the ways you get to buy up Dex is by using a "Dex" weapon, such as a dagger. Or rather, learning more about using such weapons, which is selecting feats, powers, and class abilities that apply to them. I'd also like to see this tied into skills, though it gets a bit trickier there. You have to have concrete picks on skills, over the course of time that you want the ability scores to increase. 3E Ranks are too fiddly for that (and not that I would want to go back to them), but an occasional skill focus might be too coarse. It might simply be that hitting certain thresholds in skills gives you a bonus in the relevant stat. Get Athletics to +5, gain a +1 Str. Doesn't matter if you got it fast with training, or slow with the +1/2 per level increase. This might replace those general stat bumps. Note that the skills need not necessarily grant bonuses at the same thresholds. This allows some balancing between stats that have more skills than others, without having to jump through a bunch of hoops to make it work out. Or maybe they do use the same thresholds, and the bonuses from weapons, magic, and the like fit in well with skills. For a semi-wacky variant, you do all of this and still keep the first 4E tying of stats to attack bonuses.  (That is, each stat is well represented, but there are no feats to switch a Str-based power to a Dex-based power, and such.)  Then adjust the normal progression of attack bonuses in the rest of the system to account for this.  In effect, you are baking in a certain amount of niche protection.  The guy that decides to build up Str with his weapons has to commit a certain amount of his choices to that, to get a good enough Str to have the attack bonus where he wants it.  I think this would probably cause more trouble than it was worth, having gone to the effort to be able to cut the link between attack bonus and stats. But if niche protection was diminished too much, this is one way to get some of it back.</blockquote>

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