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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 7040650">Except that itself is an exaggeration of my claim.  I gave two examples of things that can be done on the chassis of existing classes and don't justify their own classes.  Nowhere did I state the general case to be true.*  Which is why taking it to a logical extreme is merely a rhetorical stunt.  E.g., "No, you can't have my ice cream."  "Oh, so you get to eat whatever you want and I have to starve?"  That's also taking something to a logical extreme, and also not useful.*Neither did I define an appropriate threshold, of course, but that's because I don't think that such a threshold can be precisely defined.  Clearly your exaggeration is on one side of such a threshold, and I believe the examples in questions are deep into the opposite side.  YMMV.</blockquote>