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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 8847422" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>I think at this point, we are just going to disagree on whether this argument works for species. My point wasn't about species by ancestry. You can say anything in the world that evolved, is what it is because its ancestors were what it is, but that feels almost just like a tautology to me. But more importantly, I would say the difference between human ancestors and different species of human, is vast. Ancestry is something people think of as being more like ethnicity. And like I said before, if the point here is to move away from race because that is causing issue for people, then choosing ancestry as the term seems just as bad, if not worse, because it beings you more into blood and soil territory. Again, I am not personally worried about terms like race and ancestry here because I think most people can distinguish between their use in a fantasy RPG and how those terms are used in the real world. I am just saying if we concede race needs to be changed because of its connotations, surely things that also have those kinds of negative connotations would be just as bad (especially if those things suggest, as ancestry would, that the difference between humans and elves, which is vast, is similar to the difference between humans of different ethnicities, which is not vast).</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 8847422, member: 85555"] I think at this point, we are just going to disagree on whether this argument works for species. My point wasn't about species by ancestry. You can say anything in the world that evolved, is what it is because its ancestors were what it is, but that feels almost just like a tautology to me. But more importantly, I would say the difference between human ancestors and different species of human, is vast. Ancestry is something people think of as being more like ethnicity. And like I said before, if the point here is to move away from race because that is causing issue for people, then choosing ancestry as the term seems just as bad, if not worse, because it beings you more into blood and soil territory. Again, I am not personally worried about terms like race and ancestry here because I think most people can distinguish between their use in a fantasy RPG and how those terms are used in the real world. I am just saying if we concede race needs to be changed because of its connotations, surely things that also have those kinds of negative connotations would be just as bad (especially if those things suggest, as ancestry would, that the difference between humans and elves, which is vast, is similar to the difference between humans of different ethnicities, which is not vast). [/QUOTE]

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