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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 8861386" data-attributes="member: 85555">Humans are a species though. I think when you run into trouble is dividing humans into different species among themselves (that in my opinion is where you get into the realm of the racialist science that caused so many atrocities in the 20th century). I think this bolded part gets at a key part of the disagreement and I think if we can put aside some of the emotion that comes up in these debates and hear what different people are saying, we will see there is actually a few different ways of intellectually juggling these things going on, that is leading us to different conclusions and different stances on the ethics of how demihumans ought to be conceived of in an RPG. I would take the bolded a step further and say people who are generally okay with this idea, not only separate the concept of fantasy race from real world race, they see it as a whole other category (something much closer to the gulf between a human and a neanderthal or maybe even an even more distantly related human-like hominid). They are positing races that have no connection to real world races (though things may be drawn in from the real world for flavor, which is I think where a lot of disagreements arise) and see them as vastly different things than differences among human groups. A bit like raves or species you might have in science fiction (where there is a thought experiment around things like the lifespan, physiology, etc impacts their culture). It’s more about trying to imagine other forms or sentient life or trying to imagine beings operating on more mythic levels. I think his people are approaching that stuff is going to shape how troubled by the terminology and groupings here. I think the argument in favor of shifting to species is it eliminates confusion that Demi humans might be thought of like different racial groups. By calling them species you are at least clarifying these are not meant to be like human races at all but more like differences between humans and other intelligent hominids that became extinct</blockquote>

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