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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 8862232" data-attributes="member: 85555">Again, we've had this discussion before and I think the points have been made. And I don't think giving them culture, language, new physical appearances means its in line with pseudoscience around race (it is more like a thought experiment of what if other hominids survived and co-existed with humans, with their own cultures and languages). To me that is just interesting. I don't agree with your conclusions here but I also don't want to get the thread bogged down in stuff (especially since there has been a mod warning). That's the last I will say on the Tolkien side of things. What I will say is Tolkien isn't the only thing that matters when it comes to D&amp;D races. Elrik had an influence, Three Hearts, Three Lions had an influence, they've also taken on a life of their own. But I see demihumans much more in the realm of being different species. They a human-like because they are intelligent hominids, but clearly all humans are a single race in D&amp;D, as you point out, which means that encompasses all the human ethnicities. I think that is one thing that shows pretty clearly these are creatures of a much more substantial difference from humans (than being similar to the differences among humans).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 8862232, member: 85555"] Again, we've had this discussion before and I think the points have been made. And I don't think giving them culture, language, new physical appearances means its in line with pseudoscience around race (it is more like a thought experiment of what if other hominids survived and co-existed with humans, with their own cultures and languages). To me that is just interesting. I don't agree with your conclusions here but I also don't want to get the thread bogged down in stuff (especially since there has been a mod warning). That's the last I will say on the Tolkien side of things. What I will say is Tolkien isn't the only thing that matters when it comes to D&D races. Elrik had an influence, Three Hearts, Three Lions had an influence, they've also taken on a life of their own. But I see demihumans much more in the realm of being different species. They a human-like because they are intelligent hominids, but clearly all humans are a single race in D&D, as you point out, which means that encompasses all the human ethnicities. I think that is one thing that shows pretty clearly these are creatures of a much more substantial difference from humans (than being similar to the differences among humans). [/QUOTE]

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