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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 8864702" data-attributes="member: 6787503"><p>I'm not sure if you meant to say what the words you wrote seem to mean, but I have to say I disagree. To prevent the inclusion of racism, we first have to see the game for what it is. Thinking it has always been the way we thought it was or thought it should have been is not helpful. That's what I mean by <em>revisionism </em>which, in this case, is a form of denial.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay, so to take an extreme example, because Dwarf is perceived as a biological category (dwarves after all being somewhat physically different from other groups), then Dwarven Combat Training creates the impression that dwarves are biologically determined to use certain weapons. I can see how that's a bad look, but I'm not sure it's worse than something that's explicitly a cultural inclination.</p><p></p><p></p><p>There's no confusion on my end. Just look at a dictionary:</p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>peo·ple</strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">/ˈpēp(ə)l/</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>noun</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">plural noun: <strong>people</strong>; noun: <strong>people</strong>; plural noun: <strong>peoples</strong>; noun: <strong>one's people</strong>; plural noun: <strong>one's peoples</strong></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 40px">1. human beings in general or considered collectively.</p> <p style="margin-left: 40px">"the earthquake killed 30,000 people"</p> <ul style="margin-left: 40px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">the citizens of a country, especially when considered in relation to those who govern them.<br /> noun: <strong>the people</strong><br /> "his economic reforms no longer have the support of the people"</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">those without special rank or position in society; the populace.<br /> noun: <strong>the people</strong><br /> "he is very much a man of the people"</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">US<br /> the state prosecution in a trial.<br /> "pretrial statements made by the People's witnesses"</li> </ul> <p style="margin-left: 40px">2. the men, women, and children of a particular nation, community, or ethnic group.</p> <p style="margin-left: 40px">"the native peoples of Canada"</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 40px">3. the supporters or employees of a person in a position of power or authority.</p> <p style="margin-left: 40px">"I've had my people watching the house for some time now"</p><p></p><p>Your first two meanings fall under definition 1. Your third is definition 2, which is also the definition that covers the Wikipedia quote due to its use of the indefinite article <em>a, </em>as in "a people". Try substituting "a people" (or "peoples" where a plural form is needed) into any of the example sentences beside the one for definition 2 without changing the meaning. It can't be done.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 8864702, member: 6787503"] I'm not sure if you meant to say what the words you wrote seem to mean, but I have to say I disagree. To prevent the inclusion of racism, we first have to see the game for what it is. Thinking it has always been the way we thought it was or thought it should have been is not helpful. That's what I mean by [I]revisionism [/I]which, in this case, is a form of denial. Okay, so to take an extreme example, because Dwarf is perceived as a biological category (dwarves after all being somewhat physically different from other groups), then Dwarven Combat Training creates the impression that dwarves are biologically determined to use certain weapons. I can see how that's a bad look, but I'm not sure it's worse than something that's explicitly a cultural inclination. There's no confusion on my end. Just look at a dictionary: [INDENT][B]peo·ple[/B][/INDENT] [INDENT]/ˈpēp(ə)l/[/INDENT] [INDENT][I]noun[/I][/INDENT] [INDENT]plural noun: [B]people[/B]; noun: [B]people[/B]; plural noun: [B]peoples[/B]; noun: [B]one's people[/B]; plural noun: [B]one's peoples[/B][/INDENT] [INDENT=2]1. human beings in general or considered collectively.[/INDENT] [INDENT=2]"the earthquake killed 30,000 people"[/INDENT] [INDENT=2][LIST] [*]the citizens of a country, especially when considered in relation to those who govern them. noun: [B]the people[/B] "his economic reforms no longer have the support of the people" [*]those without special rank or position in society; the populace. noun: [B]the people[/B] "he is very much a man of the people" [*]US the state prosecution in a trial. "pretrial statements made by the People's witnesses" [/LIST][/INDENT] [INDENT=2]2. the men, women, and children of a particular nation, community, or ethnic group.[/INDENT] [INDENT=2]"the native peoples of Canada"[/INDENT] [INDENT=2]3. the supporters or employees of a person in a position of power or authority.[/INDENT] [INDENT=2]"I've had my people watching the house for some time now"[/INDENT] Your first two meanings fall under definition 1. Your third is definition 2, which is also the definition that covers the Wikipedia quote due to its use of the indefinite article [I]a, [/I]as in "a people". Try substituting "a people" (or "peoples" where a plural form is needed) into any of the example sentences beside the one for definition 2 without changing the meaning. It can't be done. [/QUOTE]
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