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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7457924" data-attributes="member: 22779">But, I think that's what makes Jessica Jones and Daredevil much better shows.&nbsp; Sure, JJ is an alcoholic, but, it's never &quot;let slide&quot; in the show.&nbsp; It's destructive as all get out.&nbsp; Watching JJ implode is a big part of what makes the show good.&nbsp; Same with Daredevil.&nbsp; His self-destructive tendencies cause so much of the plot.&nbsp; It's a big old dose of catharsis.&nbsp; And, there's the other point.&nbsp; Both JJ and Daredevil had FANTASTIC bad guys.&nbsp; Season 1 of JJ was probably one of the best shows on TV, as was DD, and a big part of that was Tenant and D'onofrio.&nbsp;&nbsp; DD's second season with the Punisher was excellent too.&nbsp; I watched these shows in large part, on the strength of the antagonists.But, then you've got Iron Fist.&nbsp; The bad guy is a somewhat smarmy businessman?&nbsp; Ummm, really?&nbsp; I'm not really into watching a superhero show that focuses on boardroom dealings.&nbsp; Who cares?&nbsp; Ultra-rich boy comes back from being lost and spends the season getting his company back.&nbsp; Note, that even if he didn't get the company back, nothing really changes.&nbsp; There's no stakes.&nbsp; Compare to Iron Man.&nbsp; Again, you have Tony Stark coming back from the dead to take his company back from Stane.&nbsp; Similar plotline.&nbsp; But, the movie works because, well, how much of the movie actually takes place in a boardroom?&nbsp; A couple of scenes?&nbsp; Instead, we get this fantastic movie about Tony Stark becoming Iron Man.&nbsp; Cool.&nbsp; Iron Fist didn't really even bother doing an origins story.&nbsp; He's ALREADY Iron Fist before he starts.&nbsp; Even if he doesn't get his company back, he's still a freaking super hero.To me, that's why Iron Fist was a total snooze fest.&nbsp; No fantastic combat scenes like in Daredevil (the Old Boy call back with Daredevil fighting his way down the building through the corridors with Punisher was great).&nbsp; No real stakes.&nbsp; At least Luke Cage had some stakes.&nbsp; Even if they didn't really speak to me.&nbsp; I could still recognize them and empathize.&nbsp; Danny Rand is some spoiled rich kid who gets to be super rich and a superhero.&nbsp; Yay him?&nbsp; I guess?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7457924, member: 22779"] But, I think that's what makes Jessica Jones and Daredevil much better shows. Sure, JJ is an alcoholic, but, it's never "let slide" in the show. It's destructive as all get out. Watching JJ implode is a big part of what makes the show good. Same with Daredevil. His self-destructive tendencies cause so much of the plot. It's a big old dose of catharsis. And, there's the other point. Both JJ and Daredevil had FANTASTIC bad guys. Season 1 of JJ was probably one of the best shows on TV, as was DD, and a big part of that was Tenant and D'onofrio. DD's second season with the Punisher was excellent too. I watched these shows in large part, on the strength of the antagonists. But, then you've got Iron Fist. The bad guy is a somewhat smarmy businessman? Ummm, really? I'm not really into watching a superhero show that focuses on boardroom dealings. Who cares? Ultra-rich boy comes back from being lost and spends the season getting his company back. Note, that even if he didn't get the company back, nothing really changes. There's no stakes. Compare to Iron Man. Again, you have Tony Stark coming back from the dead to take his company back from Stane. Similar plotline. But, the movie works because, well, how much of the movie actually takes place in a boardroom? A couple of scenes? Instead, we get this fantastic movie about Tony Stark becoming Iron Man. Cool. Iron Fist didn't really even bother doing an origins story. He's ALREADY Iron Fist before he starts. Even if he doesn't get his company back, he's still a freaking super hero. To me, that's why Iron Fist was a total snooze fest. No fantastic combat scenes like in Daredevil (the Old Boy call back with Daredevil fighting his way down the building through the corridors with Punisher was great). No real stakes. At least Luke Cage had some stakes. Even if they didn't really speak to me. I could still recognize them and empathize. Danny Rand is some spoiled rich kid who gets to be super rich and a superhero. Yay him? I guess? [/QUOTE]

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