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<blockquote data-quote="Apok" data-source="post: 610810" data-attributes="member: 1969">Re: This &amp; thatOn the contrary, I think that the pleas for their inclusion are close to being evidence that they are still popular and warrant inclusion into the Core Ruelset.&nbsp; Korimyr already touched on this, but the original Psi systems were overpowered to the extreme and the designers overcompensated in 3e, making the Psion (not the Psywar, which is fine) too weak.&nbsp; He gets fewer powers than a Sorcerer gets spells known, those powers he does get don't scale, they can't make much use of higher level powers due to low PP's, and they have to have mid to high numbers in every stat to be somewhat efficient.&nbsp; Considering that the &quot;standard&quot; character build for 3e is a 25 point buy, Psions are going to get shafted every time.&nbsp; There are more reasons for the Psion being underpowered, but they have already been discussed to death over at the Rules Forum so I won't reiterate them here.&nbsp; These are merely the main points.As it stands now, there is nothing unique or unusual about the Sorcerer to warrant it being a separate class.&nbsp; We might as well scrap it and use the Spells Know/Spells per Day spontaneous casting system as an option for Wizards to choose at first level.&nbsp; Yes, the Wizard is supposed to be the &quot;wiseman&quot; but that's reflected by the fact that he gets every Knowledge skill as a class skill.&nbsp; Sorcs need other skills (especially some Cha based ones) to differentiate them.&nbsp; A d6 for HD wouldn't hurt, either.&nbsp; &nbsp; Third Edition D&amp;D is all about Options, not Restrictions.&nbsp; Alternate rules are present to give DM's other ways to handle things if they don't care for the existing rules without having to jury-rig something. &nbsp;&nbsp; The Ranger does need to be rebalanced.&nbsp; As has been stated many, many, many, many times ad nauseum, ad infinitum there is little to no incentive to take more than one level of Ranger.&nbsp; Favored Enemy &amp; spellcasting just aren't worth it.&nbsp; The Barbarian is a bit better, but there is still alot of &quot;dead space&quot; but I think he is just fine at low &amp; high levels.&nbsp; The Barbarian needs more mid-level stuff to keep the class sexy.&nbsp; Sure, Greater Rage and DR are awesome but they don't start kicking in until higher levels.&nbsp; Its that 6-12th level slump that makes people seriously consider multiclassing out.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Apok, post: 610810, member: 1969"] [b]Re: This & that[/b] On the contrary, I think that the pleas for their inclusion are close to being evidence that they are still popular and warrant inclusion into the Core Ruelset. Korimyr already touched on this, but the original Psi systems were overpowered to the extreme and the designers overcompensated in 3e, making the Psion (not the Psywar, which is fine) too weak. He gets fewer powers than a Sorcerer gets spells known, those powers he does get don't scale, they can't make much use of higher level powers due to low PP's, and they have to have mid to high numbers in [i] every stat [/i] to be somewhat efficient. Considering that the "standard" character build for 3e is a 25 point buy, Psions are going to get shafted every time. There are more reasons for the Psion being underpowered, but they have already been discussed to death over at the Rules Forum so I won't reiterate them here. These are merely the main points. As it stands now, there is nothing unique or unusual about the Sorcerer to warrant it being a separate class. We might as well scrap it and use the Spells Know/Spells per Day spontaneous casting system as an option for Wizards to choose at first level. Yes, the Wizard is supposed to be the "wiseman" but that's reflected by the fact that he gets every Knowledge skill as a class skill. Sorcs need other skills (especially some Cha based ones) to differentiate them. A d6 for HD wouldn't hurt, either. Third Edition D&D is all about Options, not Restrictions. Alternate rules are present to give DM's other ways to handle things if they don't care for the existing rules without having to jury-rig something. The Ranger does need to be rebalanced. As has been stated many, many, many, many times ad nauseum, ad infinitum there is little to no incentive to take more than one level of Ranger. Favored Enemy & spellcasting just aren't worth it. The Barbarian is a bit better, but there is still alot of "dead space" but I think he is just fine at low & high levels. The Barbarian needs more mid-level stuff to keep the class sexy. Sure, Greater Rage and DR are awesome but they don't start kicking in until higher levels. Its that 6-12th level slump that makes people seriously consider multiclassing out. [/QUOTE]

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