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<blockquote data-quote="MThibault" data-source="post: 611173" data-attributes="member: 7971">I strongly disagree.&nbsp; Spot and Listen are substitutes for the old &quot;reaction adjustments&quot; -- they directly affect surprise.&nbsp; This is one of the keys to the current Ranger's competency.Cross-class is functional enough when compared to most monsters' and opponents' Hide and Move Silently modifiers.&nbsp; But a Rogue or Ranger (or Bard or Barbarian for Listen) are the ones that will likely spot the really sneaky opponents.Not inconsistent, it just looks odd in some cases.&nbsp; The granularity of the grid is 5 foot squares so the character is more or less 2.5 feet from the edge of that square.&nbsp; That is one stride for most medium sized characters.&nbsp; Certainly taking one step shouldn't provoke an AoO?&nbsp; Well, at least not in my opinion.If it weren't for the complexity, I could see applying a houserule that small sized characters could only take a 5 foot step every other round and larger creatures get larger &quot;free adjustments&quot;.&nbsp; But that's more trouble than it is worth IMO, and I would not vote that it become a core rule.Sorry for the completely negative post.&nbsp; There are too many excellent suggestions in this thread for me to single out one or two I like most.Cheers.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MThibault, post: 611173, member: 7971"] I strongly disagree. Spot and Listen are substitutes for the old "reaction adjustments" -- they directly affect surprise. This is one of the keys to the current Ranger's competency. Cross-class is functional enough when compared to most monsters' and opponents' Hide and Move Silently modifiers. But a Rogue or Ranger (or Bard or Barbarian for Listen) are the ones that will likely spot the really sneaky opponents. Not inconsistent, it just looks odd in some cases. The granularity of the grid is 5 foot squares so the character is more or less 2.5 feet from the edge of that square. That is one stride for most medium sized characters. Certainly taking one step shouldn't provoke an AoO? Well, at least not in my opinion. If it weren't for the complexity, I could see applying a houserule that small sized characters could only take a 5 foot step every other round and larger creatures get larger "free adjustments". But that's more trouble than it is worth IMO, and I would not vote that it become a core rule. Sorry for the completely negative post. There are too many excellent suggestions in this thread for me to single out one or two I like most. Cheers. [/QUOTE]

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