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<blockquote data-quote="qbalrog" data-source="post: 8217400" data-attributes="member: 6763101">Pretty rare for me as player or ref, and that's with playing since OD&amp;D pre-grayhawk. Near party wipes are more common and there we just pickup and continue, with players getting new PCs and an appreciation for the ref's willingness to wipe the party. TPKs haven't happened since my high school days but they usually resulted in a switch of campaign and a new ref.I'm usually the ref in my group and my players have learned never to rush in to anything so opportunities for wipes are less. In risky encounters, I will consider some outs to avoid a true wipe so that we don't lose campaign momentum if the players just had a spot of bad luck, as opposed to being foolish.As a player, since I don't play as much and often have an urge to test the ref, I have got my party into trouble at times and was responsible for a near wipe that included my wizard. I had a pair of manacles, I was instructed to put one on my neck and one on a demon's neck. I could only reach his knee and tried that instead... it didn't work very well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="qbalrog, post: 8217400, member: 6763101"] Pretty rare for me as player or ref, and that's with playing since OD&D pre-grayhawk. Near party wipes are more common and there we just pickup and continue, with players getting new PCs and an appreciation for the ref's willingness to wipe the party. TPKs haven't happened since my high school days but they usually resulted in a switch of campaign and a new ref. I'm usually the ref in my group and my players have learned never to rush in to anything so opportunities for wipes are less. In risky encounters, I will consider some outs to avoid a true wipe so that we don't lose campaign momentum if the players just had a spot of bad luck, as opposed to being foolish. As a player, since I don't play as much and often have an urge to test the ref, I have got my party into trouble at times and was responsible for a near wipe that included my wizard. I had a pair of manacles, I was instructed to put one on my neck and one on a demon's neck. I could only reach his knee and tried that instead... it didn't work very well. [/QUOTE]

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