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<blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 8765853" data-attributes="member: 8461"><p>You previously stated that you thought people were saying that "even the mention of the topic will be deemed offensive, even when in a negative light" without it actually occuring (where "the topic" is shorthand for things like "slavery or genocide or fascism or religious fanaticism"), to the point of it being disingenuous.</p><p></p><p>I'm pointing out that this does in fact occur, and pointing that out is in no way disingenuous.</p><p></p><p>For instance, Timothy Brown stated in the first link that:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>...which is an understandable sentiment, given that the author of the article apparently feels no compunctions about generalizing how:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So the premise that some people want it out of the hobby <em>entirely</em>, regardless of context, seems pretty well established.</p><p></p><p>Follow that up with the second link, which opens with a note saying:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Given that this seems to operate from a premise that the mere <em>presence</em> of bioessentialism and racism are things that need to be apologized for, in that not acknowledging their presence (even if presented as something bad, as they were in Dark Sun) causes harm. So that seems to support the idea that their inclusion is harmful in-and-of itself.</p><p></p><p>The third link isn't something that can be dismissed either, as the anonymous letter received a personal response from Erik Mona, which suggests that he agrees with the idea that even mentioning slavery in the context of it having been declared illegal and only being something that bad guys do is not acceptable:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So even when it's presented as an inherently bad thing, it's unacceptable.</p><p></p><p>Given that, it seems like we can safely dispel the notion that there's a contingent of gamers who want these offensive topics removed from the gaming scene entirely, even when they're unambiguously presented as bad things. To say that this sentiment doesn't exist, and doesn't have traction (e.g. Paizo's acquiescence to that open letter), can therefore be dismissed as an argument.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alzrius, post: 8765853, member: 8461"] You previously stated that you thought people were saying that "even the mention of the topic will be deemed offensive, even when in a negative light" without it actually occuring (where "the topic" is shorthand for things like "slavery or genocide or fascism or religious fanaticism"), to the point of it being disingenuous. I'm pointing out that this does in fact occur, and pointing that out is in no way disingenuous. For instance, Timothy Brown stated in the first link that: ...which is an understandable sentiment, given that the author of the article apparently feels no compunctions about generalizing how: So the premise that some people want it out of the hobby [i]entirely[/i], regardless of context, seems pretty well established. Follow that up with the second link, which opens with a note saying: Given that this seems to operate from a premise that the mere [i]presence[/i] of bioessentialism and racism are things that need to be apologized for, in that not acknowledging their presence (even if presented as something bad, as they were in Dark Sun) causes harm. So that seems to support the idea that their inclusion is harmful in-and-of itself. The third link isn't something that can be dismissed either, as the anonymous letter received a personal response from Erik Mona, which suggests that he agrees with the idea that even mentioning slavery in the context of it having been declared illegal and only being something that bad guys do is not acceptable: So even when it's presented as an inherently bad thing, it's unacceptable. Given that, it seems like we can safely dispel the notion that there's a contingent of gamers who want these offensive topics removed from the gaming scene entirely, even when they're unambiguously presented as bad things. To say that this sentiment doesn't exist, and doesn't have traction (e.g. Paizo's acquiescence to that open letter), can therefore be dismissed as an argument. [/QUOTE]
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