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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 2500958" data-attributes="member: 307">But, according to your previous statements, this is wrong because it doesn't say that armor use granted by a trait is required to provide this. Intent is unimportant. Since your are just doing a mechanical reading of the text, dwarven rogues, for example, would be proficienct with shields.Unless you go with a common sense view of what should be granted, in which case, you can rule that hell hounds don't have weapon proficiencies, dwarven rogues are limited to those weapon and armor proficiencies his class provides, and dust para-genasi are too.The problem you are running in to is that the rules for outsiders weren't really intended to provide for PC type individuals who have no racial hit dice. They were intended to describe how to construct devas and the like. As a rule of thumb, I rule that unless you have racial hit dice, you generally don't get things like racial armor or weapon proficiencies, unless the racial description makes it real clear that it was intended that you do. The generic "outsider" description isn't a real clear announcement of intent on this score.</blockquote>