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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Prism" data-source="post: 2501226" data-attributes="member: 9501">It actually seems to me that we are all pretty much agreeing here. By the book outsiders , including native outsiders, get all martial weapon proficiences whether they have 1HD or more than 1Whether you apply this rule to each in game creature based upon its ability to use a weapon i.e hell hound or from a point of view of realism i.e an plane touched native to the material plane is another matterIn our games we allow plane touched (aasimar, otherworldly feat, rakasha) and other outsiders (non native) to use all martial weapons - this doesn't mean we haven't thought about it or we DM without common sense. We simply see it as too much work to decide on a case by case basis whether each individual outsider does or does not get the proficiences that the rules allow for. So in our games, if it ever came up, a hell hound would indeed be able to use a greatsword without the -4 penalty. Is it really that much of a problemAs a final note there are a number of weapons in various books that allow creatures without a humanoid form to wield them and I would certainly allow a hell hound to use armour spikes on barding which is a martial weapon</blockquote>