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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Achan hiArusa" data-source="post: 4466580" data-attributes="member: 2597">Strangely enough, my players don't use them.  Whether its because its the fact that they are leaving victory to a single die roll, out the desire for honorable combat, or because of bad memories of me using them on them (Circle of Death in a CoCd20 game), they just don't.  For some reason high damage spells like disintegrate are more fun for them than save or die spells.  When they cheese I cheese back, which encourages better behavior.  Its kinda like good parenting.At any rate, what I've used is x5 max hit points, +2 to all saves, +5 insight to AC, an extra attack or two, a reactive attack when flanked, and a massive attack that is triggered when they are at less than 50% hit points.  I also give them action points as per Modern d20 as if they were PCs, but I allow the dice to stack (both for them and the players, so its more like Star Wars Force points) and allow the result to be used as healing (so 1 to 3d6 + Con modifier) or the expenditure of one can give an extra attack or move action.  So I can always spend an action point against those save or die spells (so +2 + 3d6 at the levels characters have access to them).</blockquote>