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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7363799" data-attributes="member: 6716779">We know the size of the RPG market, I don't think it supports 2 million in sales, TSR at its height (adjusted for inflation) is even bigger than the entire RPG market by almost 2-1 and that was the golden age of the 1E PHB+ red box. Obviously they would not have sold all of the PHB and red box in 81-83 but they probably sold a good chunk of that then. You're also confusing players with buyers, yourself gave 2 million in sales with 9 million players. I think the number is probably closer to 800k-1 million with around the same attach rate. If Paizo can sell half a million books (highly unlikely) I would assume they have a similar player attach rate as D&D has so even with your inflated number that is still 25% of D&D players (I suspect the number is closer to 50%). I suspect Mearls would be shouting from the rooftops if they broke a million sales of the PHB. A lot of Paizo posters seem to believe their gamers are locked into playing Pathfinder as they love 3.5, I suspect a few of them are shocked they are finding out a few players will go to the hottest thing, in a years time that is gonna be Pathfinder 2. I don't expect they will duplicate a mass desertion as people do not hate 5E like they do 4E.  I'm confidant PF2 will sell a magnitude more copies than Starfinder. D&D PHB sales seem to be slowly falling and you can probably get that position on the Amazon sales chart with a few thousand copies sold, not tens of thousands. Pathfinder II will sell tens of thousands of copies on release (even 20-40k) and I think that will be enough to knock D&D off its perch on Amazon that week/month. I think its mostly about a cash infusion for Paizo and to stop the bleeding and get some gamers back and pick u some new ones. They will get some unknown % of the D&D market to buy it, hell I will and I do not plan on moving over to PF2 (I may play PF2 and 5E IDK).  I'm willing to not buy PF2 on the 1st week or 2 of release, I bet it will beat 5E on release (say within the 1st week or 2). If I am right how about you buy me Pathfinder 2 and post it over to New Zealand. If I am wrong I will buy you the latest 5E AP or splat book (similar in price to current books not premium ones or if WotC release a $100 splat). Hell I will make it any 5E book of your choice up the Amazon book price of PF2? If you live in the USA I will Amazon it to you, if you're in the UK it will b Amazon or Bookdepository.com Deal? BTW I assume you are DavidJester on the Paizo forums?</blockquote>

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