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<blockquote data-quote="MechaTarrasque" data-source="post: 7370338" data-attributes="member: 6801226">The problem is that gamers don't live forever, and I don't think even the most devout PF fan would say that it is easy to get new players into it and up to speed.&nbsp; More importantly, DM's don't live forever, and PF isn't the most fun game to DM (at least in my experience).&nbsp; I suspect that if we ever got our hands of PFS records, we would see that &quot;core only&quot; PFS games were rising rapidly and the traditional &quot;everything but the kitchen sink&quot; PFS game is on the decline.This is the calculus that WotC made with 4e and 5e.&nbsp; You need something to keep and develop new players and DM's.The question is &quot;is this the right time to do this?&quot;&nbsp; I am not sure.&nbsp; It is a big roll of the dice, and timing is important.&nbsp; My gut says the main thing they got from looking at 5e was that WotC isn't going to substantially increase the complexity of 5e (the &quot;big mechanical expansion&quot; of XGtE didn't really make any existential changes), that there is a market for more complexity than 5e, a substantial part of that market has no emotional connection to 3x, and that PF1 is too 3x for people without that emotional connection to get into.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MechaTarrasque, post: 7370338, member: 6801226"] The problem is that gamers don't live forever, and I don't think even the most devout PF fan would say that it is easy to get new players into it and up to speed. More importantly, DM's don't live forever, and PF isn't the most fun game to DM (at least in my experience). I suspect that if we ever got our hands of PFS records, we would see that "core only" PFS games were rising rapidly and the traditional "everything but the kitchen sink" PFS game is on the decline. This is the calculus that WotC made with 4e and 5e. You need something to keep and develop new players and DM's. The question is "is this the right time to do this?" I am not sure. It is a big roll of the dice, and timing is important. My gut says the main thing they got from looking at 5e was that WotC isn't going to substantially increase the complexity of 5e (the "big mechanical expansion" of XGtE didn't really make any existential changes), that there is a market for more complexity than 5e, a substantial part of that market has no emotional connection to 3x, and that PF1 is too 3x for people without that emotional connection to get into. [/QUOTE]

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