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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7159772" data-attributes="member: 12731">The basic fact Medium armor isn't as useful as Light or Heavy isn't a huge problem it itself.The main issue is: &quot;is it good enough for those forced to use it&quot; which mainly means barbarians and valor bards. Any character that wants to sneak and therefore CHOOSES to use medium armor aren't forced to use it and instead are making an informed decision. (I mean, if you aren't losing some AC to gain back stealth, it's really not much of a choice, is it?)And I think it is. And therefore it doesn't need any upgrades. (More specifically: upgrading it for everybody risks boosting its intended users too much)Remember not everybody has the luxury of having one great value to place in either Str or Dex. The main category of medium armor users are martials with mediocre values. With one 15 and one 14 (after racials), medium armor suddenly looks rather attractive. You can either go Strength 15 Dexterity 14 and gain optimal use out of medium armor (including sneak) - better than Light armor. If you go Strength 14 Dexterity 15 the heaviest armors are not available to you because you don't meet the strength requirements.Now consider the case where you have one 14 and one 13. Now medium armor is outright superior to both light and heavy.So, yes, medium armor is never going to be a best-in-class choice because it falls between two minmax peaks (light and heavy). But perhaps that's okayish?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 7159772, member: 12731"] The basic fact Medium armor isn't as useful as Light or Heavy isn't a huge problem it itself. The main issue is: "is it good enough for those forced to use it" which mainly means barbarians and valor bards. Any character that wants to sneak and therefore CHOOSES to use medium armor aren't forced to use it and instead are making an informed decision. (I mean, if you aren't losing some AC to gain back stealth, it's really not much of a choice, is it?) And I think it is. And therefore it doesn't need any upgrades. (More specifically: upgrading it for everybody risks boosting its intended users too much) Remember not everybody has the luxury of having one great value to place in either Str or Dex. [B]The main category of medium armor users are martials with mediocre values.[/B] With one 15 and one 14 (after racials), medium armor suddenly looks rather attractive. You can either go Strength 15 Dexterity 14 and gain optimal use out of medium armor (including sneak) - better than Light armor. If you go Strength 14 Dexterity 15 the heaviest armors are not available to you because you don't meet the strength requirements. Now consider the case where you have one 14 and one 13. Now medium armor is outright superior to both light and heavy. So, yes, medium armor is never going to be a best-in-class choice because it falls between two minmax peaks (light and heavy). But perhaps that's okayish? [/QUOTE]

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