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<blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 4424166" data-attributes="member: 5890">Since the errata also gave us a lot of rules changes, I'd like to suggest that they change all of the &quot;-X to saves&quot; powers to read &quot;the foe saves on a (10+X)+, and may apply bonuses to the roll&quot;.That means spell focus makes saves a 12+. I would also like to see the wizard's orb power changed, but to be honest, with this change the worst you can do is force 20+ saves on people, which means normal monsters are SOL, but elites and brutes at least have a chance.I think that sure/careful attack/strike need only minor help: both versions should be classified as basic attacks. At that point they become viable choices (always for a fighter, and sometimes for a ranger).My last vote goes to changing the ranger paragon paths to require &quot;class:ranger&quot;, adding the ranger two-weapon class feature as a feat, and adding the free feats for each path to the requirements of the ranger paragon paths.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Saeviomagy, post: 4424166, member: 5890"] Since the errata also gave us a lot of rules changes, I'd like to suggest that they change all of the "-X to saves" powers to read "the foe saves on a (10+X)+, and may apply bonuses to the roll". That means spell focus makes saves a 12+. I [i]would[/i] also like to see the wizard's orb power changed, but to be honest, with this change the worst you can do is force 20+ saves on people, which means normal monsters are SOL, but elites and brutes at least have a chance. I think that sure/careful attack/strike need only minor help: both versions should be classified as basic attacks. At that point they become viable choices (always for a fighter, and sometimes for a ranger). My last vote goes to changing the ranger paragon paths to require "class:ranger", adding the ranger two-weapon class feature as a feat, and adding the free feats for each path to the requirements of the ranger paragon paths. [/QUOTE]

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