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<blockquote data-quote="Quixon" data-source="post: 801289" data-attributes="member: 6577">Well for pure munckin power-I have to say the Icanatrix needs to be houseruled-getting a Epic level feat(Improved Metamagic) as early as 13th level, when normally someone can't qualify for it until 27th level is wrong.The Forsaker is a little weak at higher levels but only because he gets limited in armor and weapons. Other than that the class isn't a real problem-I read these posts how he causes problems for the party and wonder if anybody has actually read the description.It says a Forsaker loses abilities if he USES magic items or CASTS spells, not if he gets spells cast on him, he just HAS to make a save for spells that allow one, even normally benificial spells. So he can Teleport with the party just fine(it has Save: None) ect.. Go thru PHB a number of spells have no save, those work on Forsakers great, others, yes he has to make a save, but he can still have them cast on him.As for him &quot;accidentaly&quot; losing his abilities because he found a luckstone and didnt know it was magical or never getting his DR because he doesn't know whats magic, that would not be his fault, thats his party spellcasters fault, who should be detecting magic (like most party spellcasters do all the time anyway). So he should be able to get his DR pretty reliably by having trinkets/potions/whatever to destroy, and if your Forsaker is ending up with magic items just &quot;because he didn't know the item he found was magical&quot; thats just stupidity, his and the rest of the parties.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Quixon, post: 801289, member: 6577"] Well for pure munckin power-I have to say the Icanatrix needs to be houseruled-getting a Epic level feat(Improved Metamagic) as early as 13th level, when normally someone can't qualify for it until 27th level is wrong. The Forsaker is a little weak at higher levels but only because he gets limited in armor and weapons. Other than that the class isn't a real problem-I read these posts how he causes problems for the party and wonder if anybody has actually read the description. It says a Forsaker loses abilities if he USES magic items or CASTS spells, not if he gets spells cast on him, he just HAS to make a save for spells that allow one, even normally benificial spells. So he can Teleport with the party just fine(it has Save: None) ect.. Go thru PHB a number of spells have no save, those work on Forsakers great, others, yes he has to make a save, but he can still have them cast on him. As for him "accidentaly" losing his abilities because he found a luckstone and didnt know it was magical or never getting his DR because he doesn't know whats magic, that would not be his fault, thats his party spellcasters fault, who should be detecting magic (like most party spellcasters do all the time anyway). So he should be able to get his DR pretty reliably by having trinkets/potions/whatever to destroy, and if your Forsaker is ending up with magic items just "because he didn't know the item he found was magical" thats just stupidity, his and the rest of the parties. [/QUOTE]

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