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What qualifies a creature as an extraplanar outsider, an extraplanar animal/humanoid/etc or an extraplanar native outsider?
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<blockquote data-quote="VelvetViolet" data-source="post: 6273516" data-attributes="member: 6686357"><p>Fiendish/celestial creatures are not material creatures that emigrated to the outer planes. They were created from the essence of their planes just like celestials and fiends are. Therefore, according to the description of the outsider type itself, they should be outsiders. But they're not.</p><p></p><p>Stench kows and Stygian leviathans are already magical beasts and stated to have been created from the essence of the lower planes, which should make them outsiders but they're not.</p><p></p><p>The fey are not material creatures. It is stated quite explicitly at certain points that they were created from the essence of another plane known the fey homeworld. They should be outsiders but aren't.</p><p></p><p>I don't want to add creatures to the outsider type. What I'm saying is that dozens of creatures that should be outsiders, since they are created from the essence of other planes (which is the definition of the outsider type), are not outsiders but some other type. The outsider type is inconsistently applied. So if I'm designing creatures created from the essence of an outer plane, I run into a problem of whether to make them outsiders or some other type because the types are inconsistently applied.</p><p></p><p>I use the term "exemplar" because it was the term used in Planescape to refer to the major planar races like fiends and celestials and whatever. It doesn't matter to me if the word is already used for some monster or prestige class from an obscure book.</p><p></p><p>I'm already well aware that 4e overhauled the type system and have made several threads discussing replacing the Pathfinder types with a variant of that system because it isn't arbitrary and often ill-defined.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="VelvetViolet, post: 6273516, member: 6686357"] Fiendish/celestial creatures are not material creatures that emigrated to the outer planes. They were created from the essence of their planes just like celestials and fiends are. Therefore, according to the description of the outsider type itself, they should be outsiders. But they're not. Stench kows and Stygian leviathans are already magical beasts and stated to have been created from the essence of the lower planes, which should make them outsiders but they're not. The fey are not material creatures. It is stated quite explicitly at certain points that they were created from the essence of another plane known the fey homeworld. They should be outsiders but aren't. I don't want to add creatures to the outsider type. What I'm saying is that dozens of creatures that should be outsiders, since they are created from the essence of other planes (which is the definition of the outsider type), are not outsiders but some other type. The outsider type is inconsistently applied. So if I'm designing creatures created from the essence of an outer plane, I run into a problem of whether to make them outsiders or some other type because the types are inconsistently applied. I use the term "exemplar" because it was the term used in Planescape to refer to the major planar races like fiends and celestials and whatever. It doesn't matter to me if the word is already used for some monster or prestige class from an obscure book. I'm already well aware that 4e overhauled the type system and have made several threads discussing replacing the Pathfinder types with a variant of that system because it isn't arbitrary and often ill-defined. [/QUOTE]
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