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<blockquote data-quote="FrankTrollman" data-source="post: 1130454" data-attributes="member: 14225"><p>I'm so sorry...</p><p></p><p>I thought I was on the <strong>RULES BOARD</strong> where people talked about the rules. The things that the books actually say. Not a place to sit around and be touchy feely about how we like to play the game, and how we can ignore all the things we don't like.</p><p></p><p>That's presumably for the <strong>HOUSE RULES BOARD</strong> down the hall. The place where we can ignore the rules entirely and sit around playing magical tea party with our friends - both the stuffed animals <em>and</em> the flesh and blood kind. If we are talking on a message board, the assumptions of your play group and my play group don't matter - because we are far away from each other and don't interact with each other in person.</p><p></p><p>I'm over here, you are over there. The only reason to discuss <em>rules</em> is to determine what the rules actually say, and what we want to do about them. So if you are shocked and horrified by the prospect of using Shapechange to mine Balor Form for money - <em>good</em>. It's a bad rule, it's <em>supposed</em> to be alarming. It isn't alarming because <em>I</em> am a bad person, it's alarming because the rule is poorly conceived. This is Andy Collins' fault, not mine.</p><p></p><p>If you don't want to play with people turning into Phoenixes in order to create dozens of more Phoenixes - I suggest that you play with the 3e version of Shapechange where you in fact, could not do that.</p><p></p><p>I don't want to play in a game where the DM throws something at me everytime I do something more effective than he was expecting. There's no incentive to succeed in such an environment. I want the rules to stop all the infinite power abuses and I am willing to employ house rules to make it so.</p><p></p><p>I am <em>not</em> willing to put up with crap from you just because you think that thinking about how the rules interact is somehow sinful.</p><p></p><p>-Frank</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrankTrollman, post: 1130454, member: 14225"] I'm so sorry... I thought I was on the [b]RULES BOARD[/b] where people talked about the rules. The things that the books actually say. Not a place to sit around and be touchy feely about how we like to play the game, and how we can ignore all the things we don't like. That's presumably for the [b]HOUSE RULES BOARD[/b] down the hall. The place where we can ignore the rules entirely and sit around playing magical tea party with our friends - both the stuffed animals [i]and[/i] the flesh and blood kind. If we are talking on a message board, the assumptions of your play group and my play group don't matter - because we are far away from each other and don't interact with each other in person. I'm over here, you are over there. The only reason to discuss [i]rules[/i] is to determine what the rules actually say, and what we want to do about them. So if you are shocked and horrified by the prospect of using Shapechange to mine Balor Form for money - [i]good[/i]. It's a bad rule, it's [i]supposed[/i] to be alarming. It isn't alarming because [i]I[/i] am a bad person, it's alarming because the rule is poorly conceived. This is Andy Collins' fault, not mine. If you don't want to play with people turning into Phoenixes in order to create dozens of more Phoenixes - I suggest that you play with the 3e version of Shapechange where you in fact, could not do that. I don't want to play in a game where the DM throws something at me everytime I do something more effective than he was expecting. There's no incentive to succeed in such an environment. I want the rules to stop all the infinite power abuses and I am willing to employ house rules to make it so. I am [i]not[/i] willing to put up with crap from you just because you think that thinking about how the rules interact is somehow sinful. -Frank [/QUOTE]
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