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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7102635" data-attributes="member: 6801845">There is no &quot;hidden&quot; condition in 5E.&nbsp; You hide to avoid detection.&nbsp; When it comes to invisibility, much like &quot;innocent before proven guilty&quot; I believe you are &quot;undetected until detected&quot;.&nbsp; You don't have to &quot;do&quot; anything to remain undetected.&nbsp; You have to &quot;do&quot; something or interact with the environment in some way to be detected.&nbsp; If the mage disappears, I don't know if he turned invisible or teleported away unless I know what spell he cast or there's an audible &quot;pop&quot; when someone teleports.&nbsp; If he walks through mud (or any number of things to give away his position) while invisible though, I will see his footsteps.Of course someone with keen enough senses might be able to detect a living creature, the whole &quot;I can hear you breath, I can hear your heart beating&quot; trope.&nbsp; But that would be an exception to the general rule (and I would say it would be nearly impossible to hide from someone like that).Even then if you know something is there you may not know exact position.&nbsp; The other day I heard coyotes howling close to where I was.&nbsp; I knew there was something there, but had no clue of exact position.But we've wasted to much time on this in this thread.&nbsp; There have been many, many thread dedicated to this, which is why I provided the link in the first place.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 7102635, member: 6801845"] There is no "hidden" condition in 5E. You hide to avoid detection. When it comes to invisibility, much like "innocent before proven guilty" I believe you are "undetected until detected". You don't have to "do" anything to remain undetected. You have to "do" something or interact with the environment in some way to be detected. If the mage disappears, I don't know if he turned invisible or teleported away unless I know what spell he cast or there's an audible "pop" when someone teleports. If he walks through mud (or any number of things to give away his position) while invisible though, I will see his footsteps. Of course someone with keen enough senses might be able to detect a living creature, the whole "I can hear you breath, I can hear your heart beating" trope. But that would be an exception to the general rule (and I would say it would be nearly impossible to hide from someone like that). Even then if you know something is there you may not know exact position. The other day I heard coyotes howling close to where I was. I knew there was [I]something[/I] there, but had no clue of exact position. But we've wasted to much time on this in this thread. There have been many, many thread dedicated to this, which is why I provided the link in the first place. [/QUOTE]

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