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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 7105134" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p>Exactly. Specifically the <strong>hide</strong> action. </p><p></p><p>In order to use it you must first be on unseen. Such as by being behind total cover, or by being in heavy obscurement (the latter of which invisibility counts as). </p><p></p><p>Then to represent the time spent being quiet, being still and concealing your presence (Instead of say... attacking someone or casting a spell) you take the <strong>Hide</strong> action and roll your stealth vs the passive perception of everyone nearby.</p><p></p><p>If you succeed on your stealth check, you are now hidden (<em>Unseen</em> and <em>Unheard</em>). Unless and until someone takes the <strong>Search</strong> action and successfully rolls their perception score over your stealth result, or you otherwise reveal yourself by attacking or casting a spell or similar, they will only be able to attack you if they can successfully guess where you are.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's impossible to cast hold monster on an invisible creature.</p><p></p><p>But supposing you could, this would be one of the corner cases that Jeremy Crawford discussed in his article where the DM would simply set a DC.</p><p></p><p>Same deal if the invisible creature was also in the radius of a silence spell. It could still be noticed (Footprints in mud or dirt or snow or the carpet, Splashing in puddles as it moves or long grass and branches being moved back etc) but that is a corner case subject to the DM.</p><p></p><p>The rule for invisible creatures is clear. Invisibility does not make you hidden in and of itself. You also need to take the Hide action if you want to be quiet and not make any noise. If you don't take the hide action and are invisible, then the assumption in the game is that creatures can roughly know your general location with sufficient precision to launch an attack at disadvantage. They can't make attacks of opportunity against you, they can't target you with most spells, and many class features can't be used on you either.</p><p></p><p>The rule is not hard. It still boggles my mind that so many people have so many problems with it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 7105134, member: 6788736"] Exactly. Specifically the [B]hide[/B] action. In order to use it you must first be on unseen. Such as by being behind total cover, or by being in heavy obscurement (the latter of which invisibility counts as). Then to represent the time spent being quiet, being still and concealing your presence (Instead of say... attacking someone or casting a spell) you take the [B]Hide[/B] action and roll your stealth vs the passive perception of everyone nearby. If you succeed on your stealth check, you are now hidden ([I]Unseen[/I] and [I]Unheard[/I]). Unless and until someone takes the [B]Search[/B] action and successfully rolls their perception score over your stealth result, or you otherwise reveal yourself by attacking or casting a spell or similar, they will only be able to attack you if they can successfully guess where you are. It's impossible to cast hold monster on an invisible creature. But supposing you could, this would be one of the corner cases that Jeremy Crawford discussed in his article where the DM would simply set a DC. Same deal if the invisible creature was also in the radius of a silence spell. It could still be noticed (Footprints in mud or dirt or snow or the carpet, Splashing in puddles as it moves or long grass and branches being moved back etc) but that is a corner case subject to the DM. The rule for invisible creatures is clear. Invisibility does not make you hidden in and of itself. You also need to take the Hide action if you want to be quiet and not make any noise. If you don't take the hide action and are invisible, then the assumption in the game is that creatures can roughly know your general location with sufficient precision to launch an attack at disadvantage. They can't make attacks of opportunity against you, they can't target you with most spells, and many class features can't be used on you either. The rule is not hard. It still boggles my mind that so many people have so many problems with it. [/QUOTE]
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