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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 7105223" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p>That's irrelevant. Every creature on the planet isnt involved in the encounter. Unless you're making 6 billion initiative checks every encounter.</p><p></p><p>In a standard encounter in standard counter distance if you want to hide, you must take the hide action. If you want to cast a spell you have to take the cast a spell action. If you want to search for someone or something and make an active perception check you must take the search action.</p><p></p><p>This is the general rule. The absence of any other variables your wizard casting visibility they are not hidden. They will not be hidden unless they take the hide action and their stealth check defeats my passive perception score.</p><p></p><p>That is the <strong><u>clear</u></strong> rules for becoming hidden in combat. First become unseen (either total cover or heavy obscurement which invisibility <strong>expressly</strong> counts as <strong>for the purposes of hiding</strong>) then using your action to take the Hide action. If you are a Rogue of at least second level you can attempt it as a bonus action.</p><p></p><p>The stealth check you make as part of the hide action determines whether or not you become hidden while invisible.</p><p></p><p>That is the clear and unambiguous rules for how it works. Taken straight from the players handbook. Confirmed by the guy that wrote the players handbook.</p><p></p><p>Now there may be outliers or grey areas. The dungeon Master could have set the encounter distances at 500 feet. The dude trying to hide could be behind a mountain. You could be in a factory with incredibly loud machinery. The dude trying to hide could be in the radius of the silence spell. In times like that the DM can intervene. But otherwise the rules are crystal clear.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Only when the general rule is not applicable. The general rule is if you want to become hidden you must first become unseen (Invisibility does just this) <strong>and then take the hide action</strong>.</p><p></p><p>Nothing you say changes that. Those are the clear and unambiguous rules in the players handbook.</p><p></p><p>Yes the players handbook doesn't say you can't hide in other ways. It also doesn't say a player can't declare an attack role a critical hit and then score one without rolling the dice. The book says that to score a critical hit you have to roll a natural 20 on an attack roll. It also says that in order to become hidden you must first become unseen and then take the hide action.</p><p></p><p>The rules are there - you are just ignoring them, First become unseen - then take the hide action.</p><p></p><p>Seriously read the damn thing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 7105223, member: 6788736"] That's irrelevant. Every creature on the planet isnt involved in the encounter. Unless you're making 6 billion initiative checks every encounter. In a standard encounter in standard counter distance if you want to hide, you must take the hide action. If you want to cast a spell you have to take the cast a spell action. If you want to search for someone or something and make an active perception check you must take the search action. This is the general rule. The absence of any other variables your wizard casting visibility they are not hidden. They will not be hidden unless they take the hide action and their stealth check defeats my passive perception score. That is the [B][U]clear[/U][/B] rules for becoming hidden in combat. First become unseen (either total cover or heavy obscurement which invisibility [B]expressly[/B] counts as [B]for the purposes of hiding[/B]) then using your action to take the Hide action. If you are a Rogue of at least second level you can attempt it as a bonus action. The stealth check you make as part of the hide action determines whether or not you become hidden while invisible. That is the clear and unambiguous rules for how it works. Taken straight from the players handbook. Confirmed by the guy that wrote the players handbook. Now there may be outliers or grey areas. The dungeon Master could have set the encounter distances at 500 feet. The dude trying to hide could be behind a mountain. You could be in a factory with incredibly loud machinery. The dude trying to hide could be in the radius of the silence spell. In times like that the DM can intervene. But otherwise the rules are crystal clear. Only when the general rule is not applicable. The general rule is if you want to become hidden you must first become unseen (Invisibility does just this) [B]and then take the hide action[/B]. Nothing you say changes that. Those are the clear and unambiguous rules in the players handbook. Yes the players handbook doesn't say you can't hide in other ways. It also doesn't say a player can't declare an attack role a critical hit and then score one without rolling the dice. The book says that to score a critical hit you have to roll a natural 20 on an attack roll. It also says that in order to become hidden you must first become unseen and then take the hide action. The rules are there - you are just ignoring them, First become unseen - then take the hide action. Seriously read the damn thing. [/QUOTE]
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