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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7106463" data-attributes="member: 22779">But, what is the gargoyle doing?&nbsp; What, specifically, is the gargoyle doing when the rogue enters the room?&nbsp; Is it not standing still and not making any noise?&nbsp; Isn't that engaging the Stealth skill by default?&nbsp; That's what I've been meaning with my question about providing an example of a character taking actions that can be described in such a way as to not fufill the definitions of the Stealth Skill and Hiding, but still allow the character to be undetected.Your gargoyle isn't moving and is trying to be quiet - thus taking a Hide action.Your Wizard should be easily detectable actually and I completely disagree with your ruling.&nbsp; Invisible in a rainstorm is pretty much textbook for being detected by other means.&nbsp; There's a honking big man shaped hole in the rain splashing around in the sky.&nbsp; That would be detectable.-----&nbsp;[MENTION=6801204]Satyrn[/MENTION] - sure.&nbsp; Whatever you say.&nbsp; I'm going to stand by my point here that DM's will call for a stealth check in that situation every single time.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7106463, member: 22779"] But, what is the gargoyle doing? What, specifically, is the gargoyle doing when the rogue enters the room? Is it not standing still and not making any noise? Isn't that engaging the Stealth skill by default? That's what I've been meaning with my question about providing an example of a character taking actions that can be described in such a way as to [B]not[/B] fufill the definitions of the Stealth Skill and Hiding, but still allow the character to be undetected. Your gargoyle isn't moving and is trying to be quiet - thus taking a Hide action. Your Wizard should be easily detectable actually and I completely disagree with your ruling. Invisible in a rainstorm is pretty much textbook for being detected by other means. There's a honking big man shaped hole in the rain splashing around in the sky. That would be detectable. ----- [MENTION=6801204]Satyrn[/MENTION] - sure. Whatever you say. I'm going to stand by my point here that DM's will call for a stealth check in that situation every single time. [/QUOTE]

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