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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7106482" data-attributes="member: 6801845">Except the gargoyle had no actions left.  It had landed and ceased it's movement but it had already used it's action to turn invisible.If you're saying that there can be cases where the DM gives someone a free stealth check, I agree.  In the case of the invisible gargoyle, it's not interacting with the environment in any way that can be noticed by anything but supernatural means.  It is effectively an invisible statue if not moving.If it was an invisible human wizard I may rule the same. Unless you have keen hearing or the wizard is panting you aren't going to hear them breathing.  If you don't have a keen sense of smell you aren't going to smell them unless they really need a bath.But I would probably give the wizard a free stealth check with advantage while having perception checks at disadvantage because a wizard is not going to be as still as an immobile gargoyle.How people handle it is going to vary by DM.It was a thunderstorm ... but it wasn't raining yet.  But I also disagree.  If there's a man shaped hole in the rain and that hole is more than 20 feet or so away I doubt you're going to see it.  If there were a pane of glass supported by clear poles would you really expect to see it simply because it's raining?  Close up certainly, but get far enough away and it's going to be obscured by the rain between you and it.  Ultimately it's a DM's call.</blockquote>

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