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<blockquote data-quote="Caliban" data-source="post: 7108472" data-attributes="member: 284"><p>But this specific instance wasn't in combat. The scenario proposed by MiraMels was "Short gargoyle with the invisibility spell cast on them and they are motionless long before the PCs arrive and there's no environmental factors to draw attention to their presence?"</p><p></p><p>MiraMels agreed that they would say it was undectable, but by RAW it would be automatically detected. </p><p></p><p>Oofta and I are saying that it is completely within the rules (RAW and RAI) for the DM to say that you don't automatically detect it, and don't even get a perception check to be aware of it. (Unless you walk into it or something else happens to change the situation.)</p><p></p><p>If you are talking about applying Stealth, Perception, and Invisiblity in combat, then you are talking about a different situation altogether. If you see someone go Invisible in combat (or hear them cast the spell, or are warned about them), you know they are still there even if you can't see them. You are looking for signs of an invisible creature - at that point is is reasonable to say you are still aware of their presence unless they actively try to Stealth.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Caliban, post: 7108472, member: 284"] But this specific instance wasn't in combat. The scenario proposed by MiraMels was "Short gargoyle with the invisibility spell cast on them and they are motionless long before the PCs arrive and there's no environmental factors to draw attention to their presence?" MiraMels agreed that they would say it was undectable, but by RAW it would be automatically detected. Oofta and I are saying that it is completely within the rules (RAW and RAI) for the DM to say that you don't automatically detect it, and don't even get a perception check to be aware of it. (Unless you walk into it or something else happens to change the situation.) If you are talking about applying Stealth, Perception, and Invisiblity in combat, then you are talking about a different situation altogether. If you see someone go Invisible in combat (or hear them cast the spell, or are warned about them), you know they are still there even if you can't see them. You are looking for signs of an invisible creature - at that point is is reasonable to say you are still aware of their presence unless they actively try to Stealth. [/QUOTE]
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