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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mkill" data-source="post: 5775875" data-attributes="member: 55985">What most people seem to forget is that most 4E players, pretty much everyone except the teenagers who started after 2008 (you guys rock, the game needs new blood), has been a 3rd edition player, or even around much much longer. That's why you hardly ever see the same vitriol from the 4E camp towards older editions, because most in the 4E camp have fond memories playing those older editions, too. And that includes every designer of 4th edition.For me personally, 4th edition changed a number of things that I also saw as problems in 3rd edition (multiclass bloat, caster dominance, crud rules like spell components and favorite class). It also made DMing so much easier. I don't agree with everything in 4th ed, but it turned out to be fun. Now, you'd expect that the 4th edition crowd represents the part of the fanbase that is more open to change and innovation. Sadly, that does not seem to be the case. During the Essentials announcement a new type of fan showed up, the 4E grognard. To him, the 4E PHB is perfect and everything after that is <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks" target="_blank">They Changed It Now It Sucks</a>. Which shows you that while editions may change, humans don't.</blockquote>