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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9674175" data-attributes="member: 6790260">I appreciate the effort, but this is, as far as I'm concerned, not even remotely the problem.Like this...you aren't even remotely removing spells. You're just kiudging together a &quot;well they're still spells, they just are super spells that work exactly like other spells except better.&quot;I truly do appreciate the effort to meet halfway, but from where I'm sitting this is meeting me 0.1% of the way. I'm still conceding 99.9% of what I want, and I'm not really sure a halfway point exists. You simply, flatly, do not want powers that aren't ultimately spells. I simply, flatly, do not want powers that use the rules of spellcasting. Making them very literally &quot;spells but you can't counter spell them&quot; isn't changing the part I care about. Frankly, I'd actually prefer it the other way around, that psionics IS affected by AMF and counterspell, but isn't actually a spell. Given I am quite confident that wouldn't be acceptable to you, I just don't think we'll meet at any kind of middle on this.You think it's wasteful and unnecessary to make powers that aren't spells. I think it's detrimental in the extreme to make powers that ARE literally just spells with tweaks. If compromise exists between our two positions, I've no idea what it looks like.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9674175, member: 6790260"] I appreciate the effort, but this is, as far as I'm concerned, not even remotely the problem. Like this...you aren't even remotely [I]removing[/I] spells. You're just kiudging together a "well they're still spells, they just are super spells that work exactly like other spells except better." I truly do appreciate the effort to meet halfway, but from where I'm sitting this is meeting me 0.1% of the way. I'm still conceding 99.9% of what I want, and I'm not really sure a halfway point exists. You simply, flatly, [I]do not[/I] want powers that aren't ultimately spells. I simply, flatly, do not want powers that use the rules of spellcasting. Making them very literally "spells but you can't counter spell them" isn't changing the part I care about. Frankly, I'd actually prefer it the other way around, that psionics IS affected by AMF and counterspell, but isn't actually a spell. Given I am quite confident that wouldn't be acceptable to you, I just don't think we'll meet at any kind of middle on this. You think it's wasteful and unnecessary to make powers that aren't spells. I think it's detrimental in the extreme to make powers that ARE literally just spells with tweaks. If compromise exists between our two positions, I've no idea what it looks like. [/QUOTE]

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