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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Obryn" data-source="post: 6113895" data-attributes="member: 11821">Yeah, we're not going to see eye to eye on this. Marking is one of 4e's more dynamic abilities because it sets up two bad choices for an enemy and provides for some incredible control. It lets defenders defend without all the overhead of an "aggro" mechanic. DMs can ignore it and suffer the consequences; it's still up to them. Far from being lazy, I find it simple and elegant. It works alongside everything else a defender can do. I think that's the major play style difference. I think metagame mechanics, done right, are excellent ways - as I said, simple and elegant - to reinforce exactly the themes you're aiming to explore without a burdensome process-sim overhead. A Fighter who can mark works just like I think a fighter should - and certainly more so than previously. It's effects-based; the important bit is how it turns out at the table, not how it got there. Is the Fighter standing his ground while the ravenous hordes assail him on all sides, uselessly scrabbling against his armor? Problem solved. ... So how likely is it Next can come up with a set of mechanics that will satisfy both of us? -O</blockquote>