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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9331345" data-attributes="member: 7030563">I think you are wrong.&nbsp; Many, I would argue the vast majority, do not care about playing a strong character.&nbsp; If they did we would have lots and lots of Clerics in tier 1 and full casters in tier 2+.&nbsp; Those are the strong characters and every experienced 5E player knows that.There is only one &quot;best&quot; character design for any given adventure or level in a campaign and it is almost never a Fighter, Monk or Barbarian (maybe never at all).I think choice is better if I can choose Melee-Wizard or Wizard-Healer rather than being forced to pick one or the other in each of those examples.I did not want to play a martial artist at all. I wanted to play a specific character idea and the Monk fit that design better than any other class.&nbsp; After 10th level I rarely even used unarmed strikes at all, most of the time I was using a different bonus action all together.&nbsp; My primary attack was a Dhampir Vampiric bite (using martial arts die).I would have had FAR less fun playing the UA ONE Monk even though it is undoubtedly more powerful.The point is this - I played the overall weakest class in the game.&nbsp; I played it at every single level and loved it.&nbsp; I am not the only one.&nbsp; PCs I personally played 1st to 20th level include a Wizard, 2 Fighters, a Monk and a Paladin and I loved them all.&nbsp; They were weaker than other party members at some levels and stronger at other levels, but except for the Wizard none of them was overall the strongest PC in the party for most levels.If you look at PCs played at other levels I have played well over 200 Pcs total and over 30 from low level to level 8+&nbsp; The latter has included &quot;terrible&quot; subclasses like Undying Warlock (which I loved) and Whispers Bard (my favorite and most common Bard subclass) and Scout Rogue (probably my favorite Rogue PC I have ever played).&nbsp; I can there is no correlation I have found between how mechanically powerful a character is and how much I enjoyed playing her.The only classes I can't really comment on are Druid and Barbarain as I have never personally played those.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9331345, member: 7030563"] I think you are wrong. Many, I would argue the vast majority, do not care about playing a strong character. If they did we would have lots and lots of Clerics in tier 1 and full casters in tier 2+. Those are the strong characters and every experienced 5E player knows that. There is only one "best" character design for any given adventure or level in a campaign and it is almost never a Fighter, Monk or Barbarian (maybe never at all). I think choice is better if I can choose Melee-Wizard or Wizard-Healer rather than being forced to pick one or the other in each of those examples. I did not want to play a martial artist at all. I wanted to play a specific character idea and the Monk fit that design better than any other class. After 10th level I rarely even used unarmed strikes at all, most of the time I was using a different bonus action all together. My primary attack was a Dhampir Vampiric bite (using martial arts die). I would have had FAR less fun playing the UA ONE Monk even though it is undoubtedly more powerful. The point is this - I played the overall weakest class in the game. I played it at every single level and loved it. I am not the only one. PCs I personally played 1st to 20th level include a Wizard, 2 Fighters, a Monk and a Paladin and I loved them all. They were weaker than other party members at some levels and stronger at other levels, but except for the Wizard none of them was overall the strongest PC in the party for most levels. If you look at PCs played at other levels I have played well over 200 Pcs total and over 30 from low level to level 8+ The latter has included "terrible" subclasses like Undying Warlock (which I loved) and Whispers Bard (my favorite and most common Bard subclass) and Scout Rogue (probably my favorite Rogue PC I have ever played). I can there is no correlation I have found between how mechanically powerful a character is and how much I enjoyed playing her. The only classes I can't really comment on are Druid and Barbarain as I have never personally played those. [/QUOTE]

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