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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9357722" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Wel then what I said originally on this was correct.  I said I have never seen a dislike of imbalance in play, if examples don't exist than that is a true statement.I have never seen a DM get upset about it.  Never.  Not in play and not on a stream.Further it would not be imbalance that is the problem here anyway it is clever (or OP) use nerfing an enemy.  That is fundamentally different.The DM that gets angry because I Forcecage his boss  might get upset that he put all that work into an encounter to have it nerfed, but it is not because of imbalance among the PC classes.  That DM is going to be just as upset if the Barbarian uses a rage to get large, then grapples the boss and throws it into the Lava pit on round 1 instead of attacking.Yeah I've never seen that among players and I have never felt that myself and I have played a ton of "weak" classes.If this exists in game it is very, very rare.  Also as an aside Fear does not cause damage but it does end a combat often.Again certainly not "likely".  It is very rare this would manifest.Groups that nerf spells or homebrew for balance reasons are a distinct minority.  I play a lot of D&D with a lot of different groups, including one-shots with random people and most homebrew has nothing to do with balance.  When there is homebrew it is usually things like potions as a bonus action or waiving the bonus action casting limits or ignoring cover for allies or ignoring weapon switching or ignoring material components.This is not true IME.  For example, the 4 ongoing weekly campaigns I am in right now:1.  Cleric, Sorcerer, Fighter/Wizard, Paladin/Warlock, Cleric/Wizard (10th level)2.  Wizard, Cleric, Monk, Rogue, Rogue/Bard (5th level)3. Cleric, Monk, Barbarian, Wizard, Warlock/Bard (7th level)4. Barbarian, Rogue, Sorcerer, Fighter, also has a single class Cleric drop in occasionally (5th level)Of those 19 players only 1 of them has been playing for less than a year (the Sorcerer in the 4th game) and at least 11 of them have been playing 5E since 2015.If it works for you and your group fine.  A lot of players would leave (or not join) that table though.This is not true.  If it were true no experienced players would play Barbarians, Rogues or low level Monks as more powerful options are available through other classes.Analog TV is fundamentally different and I can think of many people who would rather sit around a table and play D&D with a pencil and paper as opposed to to a VTT  ..... or play D&D in BG3.You need medium armor proficiency to get heavy armor through a feat, which means you either need to take 3 feats (light, medium, heavy) or get it through a race or already have medium armor.  A wizard goes from naked to plate with a 1-level Cleric dip and loses no spell slots doing it.It always is tied into the characters story IME.  The player is responsible for the players story, that is part of player agency, and there is always a tie in with everything they choose.  It may be cheesy or weak or a cover to get the option, but it is always there and it is the players perogitive.There is no downtime as no downtime is required.  Sometimes there is a multilevel build up to it and it is an integral part from day 1.  Sometimes it is "Umberlee visited me in a dream last night and asked me to follow her, so I am a Tempest Cleric now"It is really up to the player to write that story though.Yeah I have had players wake up and say their sword started talking to them and they are in a pact with it now.  Pretty weak but it is their character and their story, not mine.So multiclassing a level of Rogue or Ranger for expertise is "too strong" now?  I have had players do that pretty extensively.Any multiclass is a tradeoff and there are levels where you will be worse off for doing it, especially if you multiclass a character that is primarily a full caster.But even a fighter who multiclasses is going to get feats a level later, get extra attacks a level later and at those levels the PC will normally be weaker.Well her backstory was quite long, but here is a synopsis - she is all about the Feywild (note Eladrin, Glamour Bard).  She was born there lived there, served in the court of the Queen of Air and Darkness as a subject (not willingly).  She went on a diplomatic mission for the QAD and convinced the hourglass coven to freeze Zibilna in the Palace of Hearts Desire.  After her success she was given a well deserved vacation and QAD drafted a pact to ensure her return and sent her to Faerun.  The vacation is to last 2 weeks, but due to the difference in time that will be over 100 years on Faerun.  So the entire campaign is going to take place while she is on Holiday from the winter court.  In Faerun she is traveling as a Bard really just interested in seeing things like anyone on Holiday.Her Warlock ability is Fey Presence (extremely thematic).  Her Warlock spells are Hex, Protection from Evil and Good, Mind Sliver and Eldritch Blast.Right now she is a Bard 6/Warlock 1 and this may be the first time in game having that Warlock level is a good thing in terms of power and better than a single class, but it won't last.At 3rd level she did not have expertise, Mantle of Inspiration, Enthralling performance or 3rd level spells like she would have if she was a Bard..At 5th level she did not have 3rd level spells or Inspiration recharge on a short rest (and this is huge when you can use Inspiration for Mantle of Inspiration).At 6th level she did not have Mantle of Majesty which again is an awesome ability. Right now at 7th level she does not have 4th level spells or slots like a single class Bard, but she does have all the other Bard stuff so far and she has her first level Warlock stuff and I would say she is "ahead" right now, but not by much and she won't be ahead any more next level.</blockquote>

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