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<blockquote data-quote="Bill Zebub" data-source="post: 8862701" data-attributes="member: 7031982">Maybe people are talking past each other, and assuming the other side is taking a more extreme position than they are. There’s a lot of ground in between a dungeon with random monsters locked in rooms next to each other, and one in which even the most discerning skeptic couldn't find logical inconsistencies.Take bathrooms.&nbsp; If the latrine contains a secret (if smelly) escape tunnel, and there's an Otyugh living in it, and there are hints elsewhere in the dungeon that if you throw the rotting fish in the barrel into the latrine the Otyugh will let you pass....then cool.&nbsp; I agree that tying the story to elements of realism is effective.But if the latrine is just a latrine, and is included only for the sake of realism (you DID measure rise over run to make sure the pipes would drain correctly, didn't you?) then many of us don't really care whether or not it's there.&nbsp; Maybe, for some people, its absence would be a glaring inconsistency, but I think being bothered by things like that is a choice.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bill Zebub, post: 8862701, member: 7031982"] Maybe people are talking past each other, and assuming the other side is taking a more extreme position than they are. There’s a lot of ground in between a dungeon with random monsters locked in rooms next to each other, and one in which even the most discerning skeptic couldn't find logical inconsistencies. Take bathrooms. If the latrine contains a secret (if smelly) escape tunnel, and there's an Otyugh living in it, and there are hints elsewhere in the dungeon that if you throw the rotting fish in the barrel into the latrine the Otyugh will let you pass....then cool. I agree that tying the story to elements of realism is effective. But if the latrine is just a latrine, and is included only for the sake of realism (you DID measure rise over run to make sure the pipes would drain correctly, didn't you?) then many of us don't really care whether or not it's there. Maybe, for some people, its absence would be a glaring inconsistency, but I think being bothered by things like that is a choice. [/QUOTE]

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