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<blockquote data-quote="tx7321" data-source="post: 3301874" data-attributes="member: 43146">Foster: &quot;he doesn't use it because he hates it, it's unnatural, and unmanly, and ultimately destroys all those who rely on it too heavily.&quot;How is a +2 ring or sword unmanly.&nbsp; If thats true, why isn't a regular sword unmanly, you could use a dagger or even bare hands.&nbsp; Remember, magic is very common in the AD&amp;D world.&nbsp; It appears in level 1 modules afterall.&nbsp; &quot;And unlike weak city-dwellers the barbarian doesn't need magic to succeed, because he gets naturally what other characters need to use magic to get&quot;I think your wrong here Foster, the barbarian takes the best of everything (the best food, the best women, the best sword etc.)&nbsp; If they don't keep it, its because theyre drunk and careless. The barbarian doesn't think things are &quot;unmanly&quot; the barbarian thinks men are unmanly. Thats why the barbarian would walk into a tavern, reach over and take another mans ale from his hand, his women from his side and his magic sword from his shieth, and glare at the fool if they dared object.&nbsp; Animals take what they want, alpha wolves put the other wolves in their place.&nbsp; Its not about things its about attitude.&nbsp;&nbsp; As for magic, we don't know, the sort of magic that exists in AD&amp;D didn't exist in those books.&nbsp; All you had there was evil magic, and it was very rare and usually very powerful.&nbsp;The bottom line is, Gygax's barbarian not only doesn't work in AD&amp;D as a PC class (destroying everyones magic in the group, they'd quickly become dead), it's bloated, and it's not even the same barbarian we see in Conan novels who survived on his attitude, not his attributes.&nbsp; Infact, Conan constantly was running into guys bigger and better then he was, but he'd win through sheer will power and using his intellect to get the edge.&nbsp; And Conan would take a vorpal blade or a +3 ring of protection just as fast as the next guy. The stuff he'd avoid would be considered evil magic in Tolkien books or D&amp;D.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tx7321, post: 3301874, member: 43146"] Foster: "he doesn't use it because he hates it, it's unnatural, and unmanly, and ultimately destroys all those who rely on it too heavily." How is a +2 ring or sword unmanly. If thats true, why isn't a regular sword unmanly, you could use a dagger or even bare hands. Remember, magic is very common in the AD&D world. It appears in level 1 modules afterall. "And unlike weak city-dwellers the barbarian doesn't need magic to succeed, because he gets naturally what other characters need to use magic to get" I think your wrong here Foster, the barbarian takes the best of everything (the best food, the best women, the best sword etc.) If they don't keep it, its because theyre drunk and careless. The barbarian doesn't think things are "unmanly" the barbarian thinks men are unmanly. Thats why the barbarian would walk into a tavern, reach over and take another mans ale from his hand, his women from his side and his magic sword from his shieth, and glare at the fool if they dared object. Animals take what they want, alpha wolves put the other wolves in their place. Its not about things its about attitude. As for magic, we don't know, the sort of magic that exists in AD&D didn't exist in those books. All you had there was evil magic, and it was very rare and usually very powerful. The bottom line is, Gygax's barbarian not only doesn't work in AD&D as a PC class (destroying everyones magic in the group, they'd quickly become dead), it's bloated, and it's not even the same barbarian we see in Conan novels who survived on his attitude, not his attributes. Infact, Conan constantly was running into guys bigger and better then he was, but he'd win through sheer will power and using his intellect to get the edge. And Conan would take a vorpal blade or a +3 ring of protection just as fast as the next guy. The stuff he'd avoid would be considered evil magic in Tolkien books or D&D. [/QUOTE]

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