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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 9610134" data-attributes="member: 7006">To me, magic is technology.&nbsp; So if the game is going to have the ability to allow spellcasters to cast spells at 7th, 8th, 9th levels of power... then there's really nothing that shouldn't be able to be accomplished via magic.Because to me it makes absolutely no sense to remove basic magic utility such that not a single magician out there somewhere would not create a way to comprehend other people's languages or let them walk faster... while at the same time the ability to plane shift was available to them if they just studied hard.&nbsp; Once people learn they can bend reality to suit their needs via the ability to Wish for things... there's no reason why mundane functionality would not exist.&nbsp; Magic builds on itself.&nbsp; If we are allowing Plane Shift in the Spells section, then we we absolutely should see Misty Step, Dimension Door, Teleportation Circle, and Teleportation in it as well... as the &quot;technology&quot; of magic shows the evolution of magicians building up their abilities to eventually porting to different worlds.If it was me and I felt the proliferation of magic was really an issue... I would personally create individual spell lists for every class and subclass that might only give a handful of spells of each level.&nbsp; But I'd make sure to do it across the board for every single caster so that every potential caster at my table has only those spells available in the game that I would personally want to see able to be played.&nbsp; But I'd never ask WotC make those choices for me (or anyone else).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 9610134, member: 7006"] To me, magic is technology. So if the game is going to have the ability to allow spellcasters to cast spells at 7th, 8th, 9th levels of power... then there's really nothing that shouldn't be able to be accomplished via magic. Because to me it makes absolutely no sense to remove basic magic utility such that not a single magician out there somewhere would not create a way to comprehend other people's languages or let them walk faster... while at the same time the ability to plane shift was available to them if they just studied hard. Once people learn they can bend reality to suit their needs via the ability to Wish for things... there's no reason why mundane functionality would not exist. Magic builds on itself. If we are allowing Plane Shift in the Spells section, then we we absolutely should see Misty Step, Dimension Door, Teleportation Circle, and Teleportation in it as well... as the "technology" of magic shows the evolution of magicians building up their abilities to eventually porting to different worlds. If it was me and I felt the proliferation of magic was really an issue... I would personally create individual spell lists for every class and subclass that might only give a handful of spells of each level. But I'd make sure to do it across the board for every single caster so that every potential caster at my table has only those spells available in the game that I would personally want to see able to be played. But I'd never ask WotC make those choices for me (or anyone else). [/QUOTE]

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