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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HeavyG" data-source="post: 2079851" data-attributes="member: 431">The encounter level is +2 every time the number of monsters doubles.For example, if 1 lizard man is CR 1, encountering1 lizard man : EL = 12 lizard men : EL = 34 lizard men : EL = 58 lizard men : EL = 716 lizard men : EL = 9and so on...7 lizard men is almost EL 7. The problem was probably more the overabundance of magical items in the party than the number of lizard men.Oh, that's right, they want to be called lizardfolk now, right ? Lizardfolk, then. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />As to the Retriever, it's CR 11, right ? So one retriever is a level 11 encounter.If your party has normal gear for their level, an encounter 5 levels above their own level will be very very tough. They might win, if both lucky and careful, but they will probably lose one or two characters even if they do. Normally, an encounter of 4 levels above your own is a 50/50 thing, so this encounter would be even tougher. And that's if it's their only encounter for the day and they are well-rested. If it's encountered after a couple of normal fights, they will probably all die.Finally, if you want a demonic encounter of CR 10, I'd suggest a Bebilith demon, since they have an ability to destroy the armor of their target.  But that's still very tough. You might let them fight a bebilith with their current gear. This would give them a chance AND remove a few of those +3 armors/shields.At that level, if the party's gear is scaled down to appropriate levels, a pair of Babau demons (CR 6, so two of them is a level 8 encounter) would be appropriate for "bosses".</blockquote>

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