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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Willie the Duck" data-source="post: 9229767" data-attributes="member: 6799660">Overall, I feel like the 'Is Pine's character a bard' question is like those 'are hotdogs a sandwich?'-type questions. He can be a rogue that's called a bard or a bard that doesn't cast spells (because he can't, won't, or just doesn't), and most positions and justifications I have seen people give are reasonable, but not indisputable (because the situation is too open for there to be only one right answer). Fundamentally, the way I look at it is that the D&D* movie wasn't D&D characters with PC classes, so much as the PC classes's archetypes or most notable schticks. The barbarian fights, the druid turns into animals, sorcerers and wizards**  cast spells***, the paladin chivalrously leads the party through danger and goes badass on undead, and the bard leads and manipulates. Honestly, for me the most interesting case is the rogue, who (fails to, deliberately) find traps in the prologue, and then stops doing rogue-specific stuff and just becomes what the entire group is: thieves. *In googling the characters for the movie, I just learned that the actress who plays Sofina the red wizard is Anthony Stewart Head's daughter. Huh, small world.**of which the distinction is not well made***and use magic items, you'll note Simon spends half the time using magic charms and rods and helms instead of his own spellsThe movie is too short (and everything has to be simplified enough that non-D&D players can come and buy tickets and understand what they are watching) to give the breadth of the totality of all the different tropes it references, and bard and druid spells hit the scriptwriter's dustbin alongside making the barbarian fighting style specifically rage-like, having the paladin turn undead, or explaining why Holga's (presumably halfling) ex-husband is a half-height human*.*not in proportion to Real World physical conditions that create diminutive adults</blockquote>

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