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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Najo" data-source="post: 3933358" data-attributes="member: 9959">We have already shown how the greyhawk spells are not the same thing as forcing wizard's magic to fit into these orders. The original specializations were more open to adapting to individual worlds and concepts than these current ones are.I want to see one of these examples that are comparable to this. Spell names, magic items, monsters, etc DO NOT compare.You give me examples of core class abilities and feats from previous editions, that players used constantly, with this sort of fluff attached and then we have a comparable example. Those examples cannot come from setting books either (like initiate of mystra) because those things belong there. I am talking generic D&D core rules.</blockquote>