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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6861555" data-attributes="member: 996">I've always (I mean, back to childhood) liked the 'scientist' or 'sage' archetype - basically the exposition character who explained the monster and gave the hero the knowledge/gear/McGuffin to defeat it.&nbsp; I've tried to do a character like that as Bard in 3e, and as a 'Lazy' Warlord build or Artificer in 4e.&nbsp; Bard &amp; Artificer had too much magic, Warlord not enough knowledge skills, Bard &amp; Warlord not enough material support options (Artificer a surfeit of them).&nbsp; It'd have real potential as a 5e class, with sub-classes for more lore-based, more spell-casting, or more gear-providing.&nbsp; Could slip an Artificer in as the last of those.&nbsp; Providing 'training' (a la the 'training montage' trope) could be a way to go, too.Or the Essentials 'Elemental Sorcerer' from HotEC, just not called a Sorcerer.&nbsp; 'Elementalist' or something would cover it.&nbsp; The key appeal vs an actual Sorcerer is simplicity, down at the level of the Champion.&nbsp; You blast things with your chosen element, you 'Escalate' (go big with your attack0 a time or few between short rests, tacking on an AE or extra/continuing damage or some thematic effect for your element, and you maybe get a feature or two that support the elemental theme.&nbsp; Which Element could be a matter of sub-class or of a 1st-level choice (like a fighter's Weapon Style is at 1st level).&nbsp;&nbsp; Or maybe sub-class could affect how your limited ability to 'go big' with your elemental blasting works, or whether you get some utility, instead, perhaps?Yeah, Morrus, but how 'bout a Warlord?&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />'Noble' is just such a specific name, and already a Background.&nbsp; I know you liked the class, personally, but, well...<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?468491-Is-the-Noble-class-a-good-Warlord-substitute" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?468491-Is-the-Noble-class-a-good-Warlord-substitute</a>5e really has plenty of casting, so another martial class would be nice.&nbsp; Maybe a Martial-Arts or Dueling-School&nbsp; Master who could be something like the Martial 'Controller' that 3.x did with reach builds and 4e never delivered on.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6861555, member: 996"] I've always (I mean, back to childhood) liked the 'scientist' or 'sage' archetype - basically the exposition character who explained the monster and gave the hero the knowledge/gear/McGuffin to defeat it. I've tried to do a character like that as Bard in 3e, and as a 'Lazy' Warlord build or Artificer in 4e. Bard & Artificer had too much magic, Warlord not enough knowledge skills, Bard & Warlord not enough material support options (Artificer a surfeit of them). It'd have real potential as a 5e class, with sub-classes for more lore-based, more spell-casting, or more gear-providing. Could slip an Artificer in as the last of those. Providing 'training' (a la the 'training montage' trope) could be a way to go, too. Or the Essentials 'Elemental Sorcerer' from HotEC, just not called a Sorcerer. 'Elementalist' or something would cover it. The key appeal vs an actual Sorcerer is simplicity, down at the level of the Champion. You blast things with your chosen element, you 'Escalate' (go big with your attack0 a time or few between short rests, tacking on an AE or extra/continuing damage or some thematic effect for your element, and you maybe get a feature or two that support the elemental theme. Which Element could be a matter of sub-class or of a 1st-level choice (like a fighter's Weapon Style is at 1st level). Or maybe sub-class could affect how your limited ability to 'go big' with your elemental blasting works, or whether you get some utility, instead, perhaps? Yeah, Morrus, but how 'bout a Warlord? ;) 'Noble' is just such a specific name, and already a Background. I know you liked the class, personally, but, well... [url]http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?468491-Is-the-Noble-class-a-good-Warlord-substitute[/url] 5e really has plenty of casting, so another martial class would be nice. Maybe a Martial-Arts or Dueling-School Master who could be something like the Martial 'Controller' that 3.x did with reach builds and 4e never delivered on. [/QUOTE]

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