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<blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 6871305" data-attributes="member: 6802951">This is what I meant when I said that there were so many different variants of Artificer. The Eberron Artificer effectively has spells: magical temporary enhancements that can be imbued into items to give a variety of effects. Within the Artificer, you then have different directions for possible subclasses: The Battle Artificer who fights with their enhanced weapons and armour, the wand or staff user with a more blasty role, the construct master with a homunculi such as the Iron defender as a companion, the Renegade mastermaker who gradually transforms themselves into a construct that they can directly enhance.There is some potential crossover with the Alchemist: also having spells that are temporarily imbued into items. The bombs might be similar to the Blastificer archetype, and the effects of the mutagen similar to the Renegade Mastermaker. It would get . . . crowded trying to get all of that into a single subclass.Then you have the Tinkerer/Inventor concept, who doesn't use spells, and might not even use magic.The poisoner . . . strikes me as tricky to fit in, but there are ways to do it. It sounds like a martial type with a range of extra damage or conditions delivered by weapon strikes. Exact concept would depend on whether you would be required to predetermine the number of doses of what poison each long rest (probably using a points-based or spell-slot system), or whether you can apply on the fly at the moment of attack.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cap'n Kobold, post: 6871305, member: 6802951"] This is what I meant when I said that there were so many different variants of Artificer. The Eberron Artificer effectively has spells: magical temporary enhancements that can be imbued into items to give a variety of effects. Within the Artificer, you then have different directions for possible subclasses: The Battle Artificer who fights with their enhanced weapons and armour, the wand or staff user with a more blasty role, the construct master with a homunculi such as the Iron defender as a companion, the Renegade mastermaker who gradually transforms themselves into a construct that they can directly enhance. There is some potential crossover with the Alchemist: also having spells that are temporarily imbued into items. The bombs might be similar to the Blastificer archetype, and the effects of the mutagen similar to the Renegade Mastermaker. It would get . . . crowded trying to get all of that into a single subclass. Then you have the Tinkerer/Inventor concept, who doesn't use spells, and might not even use magic. The poisoner . . . strikes me as tricky to fit in, but there are ways to do it. It sounds like a martial type with a range of extra damage or conditions delivered by weapon strikes. Exact concept would depend on whether you would be required to predetermine the number of doses of what poison each long rest (probably using a points-based or spell-slot system), or whether you can apply on the fly at the moment of attack. [/QUOTE]

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