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<blockquote data-quote="pdzoch" data-source="post: 6871337" data-attributes="member: 80982">Whatever is chosen, it must offer a different way to play the game, not just be a variation.I've never been a fan of psionics, but that class was way different than the others.&nbsp; Though, many new players found it too hard to figure out.&nbsp; It is more of an advanced player character.Beast Masters/summoners were popular with my gaming group. They liked relying on their &quot;pets&quot; whatever they may have been. In the past systems, it always felt like the &quot;pets&quot; just augmented the characters fighting capabilities instead of represent the core of it.&nbsp; Also, what do these characters do in non-battle situations?&nbsp; Walking into a town with a tiger was a big no-no. So whatever had to be summoned had to work for all types of game situations.I like the artificer/alchemist concept, but more as a mad scientist instead of a variation of magic.&nbsp; Their detective abilities should be high and their ability to mix concoctions up on the fly should be core.&nbsp; I see these as component focused specialists who make amazing and unique effects happen. (bonus, there is no &quot;concentration&quot; checks for their potion effects, nor is it subject to dispel magic is it is chemical based).Lastly, I like the rune type of magic, where the magic is based on the shape of the ink/carvings.&nbsp; No verbal component. But all magic has to be transferred by touch (i.e. inscription).&nbsp; This makes for a more versatile magic style that can transfer an effect to creature or object. But, in order for the effect to be transferred, the surface must be able to take the inscription.&nbsp;&nbsp; Spells on diamond type surfaces are extremely resistant to engraved runes.&nbsp; Plus, the runes wear off, so only the high powered rune casters can inscribe longer duration runes. Knowledge is a core non-battle trait, knowledge of history, language, and materials. As for another fighter class, I do agree that there are already plenty of magic types in the book, but I do not know how a different martial class can really be that much different that what is already available in the books by theme, weapon selection and play styles.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pdzoch, post: 6871337, member: 80982"] Whatever is chosen, it must offer a different way to play the game, not just be a variation. I've never been a fan of psionics, but that class was way different than the others. Though, many new players found it too hard to figure out. It is more of an advanced player character. Beast Masters/summoners were popular with my gaming group. They liked relying on their "pets" whatever they may have been. In the past systems, it always felt like the "pets" just augmented the characters fighting capabilities instead of represent the core of it. Also, what do these characters do in non-battle situations? Walking into a town with a tiger was a big no-no. So whatever had to be summoned had to work for all types of game situations. I like the artificer/alchemist concept, but more as a mad scientist instead of a variation of magic. Their detective abilities should be high and their ability to mix concoctions up on the fly should be core. I see these as component focused specialists who make amazing and unique effects happen. (bonus, there is no "concentration" checks for their potion effects, nor is it subject to dispel magic is it is chemical based). Lastly, I like the rune type of magic, where the magic is based on the shape of the ink/carvings. No verbal component. But all magic has to be transferred by touch (i.e. inscription). This makes for a more versatile magic style that can transfer an effect to creature or object. But, in order for the effect to be transferred, the surface must be able to take the inscription. Spells on diamond type surfaces are extremely resistant to engraved runes. Plus, the runes wear off, so only the high powered rune casters can inscribe longer duration runes. Knowledge is a core non-battle trait, knowledge of history, language, and materials. As for another fighter class, I do agree that there are already plenty of magic types in the book, but I do not know how a different martial class can really be that much different that what is already available in the books by theme, weapon selection and play styles. [/QUOTE]

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