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<blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 6820752" data-attributes="member: 5890">The players are confused, because the DM is relying on a skill not being present to make the conspiracy understandable?Knowing stuff about an animal when it isn't present tends to fall into the &quot;less useful&quot; bin. It would be different if animals were things that adventurers need to prepare for, but they almost always are not, OR the defenses against them are plainly obvious even when not face to face with the animal (giant spiders? Anti venom and some way to escape webbing is basically the most complex thing you can get).Like I said - the DM can go out of their way to make the nature skill more powerful, but the same can be said for every skill, so the point is a bit moot.I thought I said precisely that, but it means that you're opening up other skills too. The same logic which says &quot;knowledge nature can be used as insight on animals&quot; says &quot;knowledge arcana can be used as insight on elementals&quot;, so again: it's a moot point. Every skill has been broadened, and nature is still applying to some of D&amp;Ds weakest creatures that are also incidentally the least negotiated with.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Saeviomagy, post: 6820752, member: 5890"] The players are confused, because the DM is relying on a skill not being present to make the conspiracy understandable? Knowing stuff about an animal when it isn't present tends to fall into the "less useful" bin. It would be different if animals were things that adventurers need to prepare for, but they almost always are not, OR the defenses against them are plainly obvious even when not face to face with the animal (giant spiders? Anti venom and some way to escape webbing is basically the most complex thing you can get). Like I said - the DM can go out of their way to make the nature skill more powerful, but the same can be said for every skill, so the point is a bit moot. I thought I said precisely that, but it means that you're opening up other skills too. The same logic which says "knowledge nature can be used as insight on animals" says "knowledge arcana can be used as insight on elementals", so again: it's a moot point. Every skill has been broadened, and nature is still applying to some of D&Ds weakest creatures that are also incidentally the least negotiated with. [/QUOTE]

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