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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Transit" data-source="post: 3059676" data-attributes="member: 19585">You can't attempt a hide check before an observer is present.  It's an opposed role, checked at the time that the opponent has a chance to spot you.  Hiding also requires having cover or concealment against the spotter.  You can't check cover and concealment against someone who isn't even there yet.Yes, if someone is hiding in advance, he should get circumstance bonuses to his check, but he can't use Take 20 to get 20 hide checks against his opponents one spot check.Look at the reverse situation.  Could a sentry "Take 20" on a spot check, so that later in the day if someone tries to sneak up on him, the sentry would have already "spotted him in advance?"  Could I get up in the morning and Take 20 on a grapple check, without an opponent there, and then later in the day use that 20 to grapple with someone?  IMHO Nope.</blockquote>