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<blockquote data-quote="Akrasia" data-source="post: 2782718" data-attributes="member: 23012"><p>With all due respect, I don't think you do. </p><p></p><p>At <em>no</em> point in the LotR does Tolkien 'retcon' Elves into humans. That's rubbish.</p><p></p><p>Sorry, but it is, and it was never part of his mythology. In the Silmarillion, the first sketch of which was outlined when he was an infantryman during WWI, the Elves were a distinct people -- the 'First Children' of Illuvatar -- and they <em>always</em> remained so. Tolkien drew upon Norse mythology for his account of the Elves, and he <em>never</em> meant for them to be an 'offshoot' of humanity.</p><p></p><p>I suspect that you might the 'Dunedain' in mind here. (The Dunedain were a race of 'High Men' or 'Numenoreans' who had 'elvish blood' -- the first king of Numenor, 'Elros', was a 'half-elf' and brother of Elrond. Elros chose 'mortality', to be 'of men', and thus eventually died, whereas his brother, Elrond, chose to be 'of elves', and thus was granted immortality but lacked the freedom and the 'gift' of men. Aragorn II, as heir to the thrones of Arnor and Gondor, was a distant descendent of Elros, and so had 'elvish blood', but was <em>not</em> and elf, and was not even mentioned in the Hobbit.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sorry, but this is <strong>complete rubbish</strong>.</p><p></p><p>Please direct me to this letter (namely, tell me what letter it is, and where it can be found), and if you are right, I will happily eat my words.</p><p></p><p>(But I very much doubt that I will...)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Akrasia, post: 2782718, member: 23012"] With all due respect, I don't think you do. At [i]no[/i] point in the LotR does Tolkien 'retcon' Elves into humans. That's rubbish. Sorry, but it is, and it was never part of his mythology. In the Silmarillion, the first sketch of which was outlined when he was an infantryman during WWI, the Elves were a distinct people -- the 'First Children' of Illuvatar -- and they [i]always[/i] remained so. Tolkien drew upon Norse mythology for his account of the Elves, and he [i]never[/i] meant for them to be an 'offshoot' of humanity. I suspect that you might the 'Dunedain' in mind here. (The Dunedain were a race of 'High Men' or 'Numenoreans' who had 'elvish blood' -- the first king of Numenor, 'Elros', was a 'half-elf' and brother of Elrond. Elros chose 'mortality', to be 'of men', and thus eventually died, whereas his brother, Elrond, chose to be 'of elves', and thus was granted immortality but lacked the freedom and the 'gift' of men. Aragorn II, as heir to the thrones of Arnor and Gondor, was a distant descendent of Elros, and so had 'elvish blood', but was [i]not[/i] and elf, and was not even mentioned in the Hobbit.) Sorry, but this is [b]complete rubbish[/b]. Please direct me to this letter (namely, tell me what letter it is, and where it can be found), and if you are right, I will happily eat my words. (But I very much doubt that I will...) [/QUOTE]
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