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<blockquote data-quote="Delgaddo" data-source="post: 4344103" data-attributes="member: 67180">Is this stated somewhere in the rules or is this your house ruling?&nbsp;My understanding with the RAW was that any cover was condition for a stealth check and if you passed a stealth check your were &quot;hidden&quot;.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;Again in the rules or your house rules?&nbsp;&nbsp; I can't find anywhere where it says if you pass a stealth check you have total concealment.&nbsp;&nbsp;See again I'm confused since stealth isn't a condition it isn't something you have. All you've done is passed a stealth check and supposedly made your target unaware of you - even if you are in sight.&nbsp;&nbsp;Ah now see this is the crux of the problem.&nbsp; With the RAW this does not appear to be true especially if you rule that hidden is a condition of passing a stealth check.&nbsp; All you need to pass a stealth check is cover - the rules consider unblocked line of sight to be lacking cover or concealment.&nbsp; So even partial cover (which leaves you somewhat exposed to view) would allows you to be considered &quot;Hidden&quot; - and this in a nutshell is where I think the term &quot;Hidden&quot; needs some offical definition instead of a being vague term the writers of the rules seem to jusyt toss around willy-nilly.&nbsp; &nbsp;So technically with the RAW you can be hidden, have the monster see you, be aware of you and still get combat advantage against it. &nbsp;At least that's how I intrepret the intentions behind hidden.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Delgaddo, post: 4344103, member: 67180"] Is this stated somewhere in the rules or is this your house ruling? My understanding with the RAW was that any cover was condition for a stealth check and if you passed a stealth check your were "hidden". Again in the rules or your house rules? I can't find anywhere where it says if you pass a stealth check you have total concealment. See again I'm confused since stealth isn't a condition it isn't something you have. All you've done is passed a stealth check and supposedly made your target unaware of you - even if you are in sight. Ah now see this is the crux of the problem. With the RAW this does not appear to be true especially if you rule that hidden is a condition of passing a stealth check. All you need to pass a stealth check is cover - the rules consider unblocked line of sight to be lacking cover or concealment. So even partial cover (which leaves you somewhat exposed to view) would allows you to be considered "Hidden" - and this in a nutshell is where I think the term "Hidden" needs some offical definition instead of a being vague term the writers of the rules seem to jusyt toss around willy-nilly. So technically with the RAW you can be hidden, have the monster see you, be aware of you and still get combat advantage against it. At least that's how I intrepret the intentions behind hidden. [/QUOTE]

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