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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Terraism" data-source="post: 727247" data-attributes="member: 278">Ok, right here, we disagree.  However, this isn't the thread for it, so I'm not going to comment on it any further.True, they should have an equally high prime-stat.  However, my point was that the archer spent 5100 more on magic items that you didn't factor in for the fighter.  It's not a lot of money, especially at 16th level, but it is something.  The bracers and extra + were just the only things I could think of offhand that were roughly the same value.But you've already pointed that out as a disadvantage of melee fighters - that they have to be close to fight.  Stating it more than once, in two different ways, doesn't make it count twice.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I honestly haven't used an AA enough to comment on it, but I'd expect that there would be at least a few drawbacks to it.Five arrows/round, by your example, so eight rounds.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  And, by the core rules, you can't recover arrows.Regardless, my point - and that of a few other posters, as well - is that you left out a lot of balancing factors.  Such as the extra feats a melee fighter may have spent where the archer took Precise/Point-Blank/Rapid Shot, instead.  And other little things.  Still, I do agree that archers are a bit more powerful.  One more thing - you say that with an eight person party, keeping things away isn't a problem.  I imagine it's not - but the rules weren't balanced for an eight person party.</blockquote>

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