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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CleverNickName" data-source="post: 5972371" data-attributes="member: 50987">I never played 4E...I tried it for about two weeks, but I couldn't get past the healing mechanics.  So there are a lot of things about that edition that I am fairly ignorant of.  But I gotta tell ya--this sounds HORRIBLE.The players get to tell the DM what treasure they find?!  I'm sure there are checks and balances in place to prevent abuse...but I can't help but imagine it going something like this:DM: You enter the ancient crypt, and there upon the altar of Odin, you find the legendary Spear of Power!  Your quest is finally at an end!PLAYER: Sword.DM:  Huh?PLAYER:  Sword of Power.  Remember, I told you I wanted a sword for my character...that was like, ages ago.DM:  But it's an altar of Odin.  Odin's weapon is a spear.PLAYER:  Then change it to Thor, then.DM:  What?!PLAYER:  We are in Thor's temple, and I walk up to Thor's altar to claim Thor's Sword of Power.  What's the big deal?DM:  Thor's weapon is a hammer!PLAYER:  Then go with Freya or Loki or something.  Surely there is at least one swordy Norse god you can use.  What are my sword's stats?DM:  *headdesk*If this "expectation" still exists in D&D Next, then I'm gonna have to pass.I agree with you; I think we are thinking of different definitions of "plot."  The plot, is the reason that the party is in the dungeon in the first place, and the conflicts and complications of it.  The player doesn't decide that there is a princess that needs rescuing, and that the princess will be guarded by a dragon, for example...that is decided by the DM.  But the actions and decisions made by each player must have a significant impact on the story that develops...whether or not the party is successful in finding and rescuing said princess, and whether they slay (or hoodwink, or befriend) the dragon.</blockquote>

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