Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
What to do about the 15-minute work day?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 5973970" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>That's an extreme take. If characters have comparable resources that are reasonably balanced, that's more than sufficient - for balance. But, whether some characters have daily abilities or all do, the 5MWD is still a mechanical issue.</p><p></p><p>Anything anyone says about their home game, yes. Analysis of the mechanics, no. The mechanics are right there, we can all see them, there's no dispute over what they are. So if there's a mechanical issue we can discuss it meaningfully. </p><p></p><p>And there's more than of us saying it is. So that's a wash. More importantly, the mechanics introduce the issue. Sure, both mechanics and whether you compensate for the flaws of those mechanics intentionally or unwittingly are both part of the issue. But one part is concrete and the other part is personal experience and unverifiable anecdote.</p><p></p><p>No, it's just a symptom. Being a bad design makes it a bad design. Kludging the bad design does not make it a good design.</p><p></p><p>Probably not, it most likely just going to be one of the penduluum deals, where they listen to whoever makes the most noise and over-compensate.</p><p></p><p>It is /caused/ my mechanics. Kludging the mechanics by distorting your game - or failing to notice their flaws because your play style happens to make an end run around them - is not a solution. Failing to implement a non-solution is not part of the problem.</p><p></p><p>The root problem is the mechanics. They could be a lot better, allowing for more styles of play instead of forcing one style.</p><p></p><p>And because you've had it for 34 of the last 38 years, and still have it in the SRD and Pathfinder, and yet are still demanding it be forced on the rest of us.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 5973970, member: 996"] That's an extreme take. If characters have comparable resources that are reasonably balanced, that's more than sufficient - for balance. But, whether some characters have daily abilities or all do, the 5MWD is still a mechanical issue. Anything anyone says about their home game, yes. Analysis of the mechanics, no. The mechanics are right there, we can all see them, there's no dispute over what they are. So if there's a mechanical issue we can discuss it meaningfully. And there's more than of us saying it is. So that's a wash. More importantly, the mechanics introduce the issue. Sure, both mechanics and whether you compensate for the flaws of those mechanics intentionally or unwittingly are both part of the issue. But one part is concrete and the other part is personal experience and unverifiable anecdote. No, it's just a symptom. Being a bad design makes it a bad design. Kludging the bad design does not make it a good design. Probably not, it most likely just going to be one of the penduluum deals, where they listen to whoever makes the most noise and over-compensate. It is /caused/ my mechanics. Kludging the mechanics by distorting your game - or failing to notice their flaws because your play style happens to make an end run around them - is not a solution. Failing to implement a non-solution is not part of the problem. The root problem is the mechanics. They could be a lot better, allowing for more styles of play instead of forcing one style. And because you've had it for 34 of the last 38 years, and still have it in the SRD and Pathfinder, and yet are still demanding it be forced on the rest of us. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
What to do about the 15-minute work day?
Top