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<blockquote data-quote="Ancalagon" data-source="post: 6838991" data-attributes="member: 23">I think I should offer some precision (as the OP) as to why I'm asking this and the situation:1:&nbsp; I'm asking as a DM (as I will soonish run a game) for advice how to fix such a situation, and also to just have general discussion.&nbsp; 2:&nbsp; I gave a specific example to illustrate how bad it can get.&nbsp; That game ended a few years ago so it's too late to be fixed.&nbsp; I was a PC in that one.&nbsp; I've seen other instances of weak PCs, but that was the worse. 3:&nbsp; Not that it matters too much given the game ended, but the bard was an &quot;important plot person&quot; (run away daughter of important noble whatnots), and subject to a few assassination attempt.&nbsp; Keeping her alive was a challenge.&nbsp; We had this huge battle map and a fairly big party, so we had pretty big battles with waves of enemies from different directions etc.&nbsp; It can add dramatic tension to a battle when one of the PCs is in trouble and has to be rescued, but the treshold for the bard was so low it was more frustrating than dramatic.&nbsp; &quot;My cousin, the dwarven barbarian, is getting hit a lot by those 3 orgres, I better go support her!... but the bard is being murderized by a goblin runt... again&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's not &quot;you are in trouble because of overwhelming odds, or you endangering yourself for the sake of the party, but because you couldn't be bothered to guy armor&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ancalagon, post: 6838991, member: 23"] I think I should offer some precision (as the OP) as to why I'm asking this and the situation: 1: I'm asking as a DM (as I will soonish run a game) for advice how to fix such a situation, and also to just have general discussion. 2: I gave a specific example to illustrate how bad it can get. That game ended a few years ago so it's too late to be fixed. I was a PC in that one. I've seen other instances of weak PCs, but that was the worse. 3: Not that it matters too much given the game ended, but the bard was an "important plot person" (run away daughter of important noble whatnots), and subject to a few assassination attempt. Keeping her alive was a challenge. We had this huge battle map and a fairly big party, so we had pretty big battles with waves of enemies from different directions etc. It can add dramatic tension to a battle when one of the PCs is in trouble and has to be rescued, but the treshold for the bard was so low it was more frustrating than dramatic. "My cousin, the dwarven barbarian, is getting hit a lot by those 3 orgres, I better go support her!... but the bard is being murderized by a goblin runt... again". It's not "you are in trouble because of overwhelming odds, or you endangering yourself for the sake of the party, but because you couldn't be bothered to guy armor". [/QUOTE]

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